Originally posted by amannion No, I think you missed my point - I think you're labeling internal experiences as some sort of external god. You can add all the jesus talk along with that.
How do you know it's not internal?
Originally posted by Zahlanzi you don't, it is called faith. and you choose to believe or you choose to dismiss those internal feelings as having too much chocolate.
it is only kelly and doodz like him that call it fact.
Originally posted by KellyJay EVERYTHING!
Everything, anything...for crying out loud you cannot grasp this why
should I think you understand anything said to you?
Kelly
said by whom? by you? i am not special in that way, nobody understands you. so i cannot claim i am the only one.
if you insist on playing the offended one, i must call you a liar. since you said that everything can be questioned but you don't question the bible, you just bitch slapped yourself.
Originally posted by KellyJay I call it faith, you don't have a clue.
Kelly
if you would call it faith you wouldn't insist in the idiocy that evolution has the same merit as genesis. it would be like calling alice in wonderland a biology book
Originally posted by Zahlanzi if you would call it faith you wouldn't insist in the idiocy that evolution has the same merit as genesis. it would be like calling alice in wonderland a biology book
Have you seen a single cell creature turn into a lion, an oak tree, or a
jelly fish over a long period of time, or do you just believe it happened
that away over time?
Kelly
Originally posted by Zahlanzi said by whom? by you? i am not special in that way, nobody understands you. so i cannot claim i am the only one.
if you insist on playing the offended one, i must call you a liar. since you said that everything can be questioned but you don't question the bible, you just bitch slapped yourself.
Originally posted by KellyJay Okay, we are done.
Kelly
This attempt to avoid the questions is also within the KJ retorics.
"At any cost avoid questions of which you don't have any answers. Even if you have to play offended."
Originally posted by KellyJay Have you seen a single cell creature turn into a lion, an oak tree, or a
jelly fish over a long period of time, or do you just believe it happened
that away over time?
Kelly
not really, i have not. no humans for that matter haven't. because humans tend to die after about less than 100 years and evolution tends to last a little longer. so to figure out events that are lengthier than my lifespan i will use my reasoning.
nobody sees how a sequoia turns into the big tree. we just observe and make deductions. nobody sees gravitation but you know it is there. because you know, you use your freakin brain.
and before telling me one could point a camera at a seed and watch it grow into a tree, i challenge you to do the same with a replica of earth(it doesn't have to be the size of earth, the surface of africa will suffice) and then after 1 billion years observe the results. evolution would have happened.
Have you seen a single cell creature turn into a lion, an oak tree, or a
jelly fish over a long period of time, or do you just believe it happened
that away over time?
Kelly is many kinds of stupid.
Originally posted by KellyJay Have you seen a single cell creature turn into a lion, an oak tree, or a
jelly fish over a long period of time, or do you just believe it happened
that away over time?
Kelly
Have you seen (yourself) the birth of Jesus?
No? Then Jesus was never born and he never lived, according to your way of reasoning.
Originally posted by KellyJay Have you seen a single cell creature turn into a lion, an oak tree, or a
jelly fish over a long period of time, or do you just believe it happened
that away over time?
Kelly
Yes I have. Of course one could quibble over the definition of 'see', but there is really no genuine difference between physical sight and the the way I have 'seen'.
Also your claim that the alternative to physically witnessing something is mere belief is unfounded. Physically witnessing and 'seeing' something does not inherently make it more likely to be true. I know a few card tricks.
Further not all beliefs are equal as you wish to imply.
Originally posted by twhitehead Yes I have. Of course one could quibble over the definition of 'see', but there is really no genuine difference between physical sight and the the way I have 'seen'.
Also your claim that the alternative to physically witnessing something is mere belief is unfounded. Physically witnessing and 'seeing' something does not inherently make it more likely to be true. I know a few card tricks.
Further not all beliefs are equal as you wish to imply.
Really, you have 'seen' this take place!? It is a fact for you because
you have witnessed it, and you don't think what you are saying is a
matter of faith or belief it is factual for that reason? I'm quite sure
you know a few card tricks which can also point out that even witnessing
an event may not be good enough sometimes as well.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJay Really, you have 'seen' this take place!? It is a fact for you because
you have witnessed it, and you don't think what you are saying is a
matter of faith or belief it is factual for that reason? I'm quite sure
you know a few card tricks which can also point out that even witnessing
an event may not be good enough sometimes as well.
Kelly
More JK logic.
First he dosn't think it can be seen. When he encounterss that someone actually have seen it, then he disputes that, calling it 'seen' as he doesn't belive it.
Is there a whay to convinc KJ of anything? I don't think so. He cannot think outside his own narrow little box.
Originally posted by KellyJay Really, you have 'seen' this take place!? It is a fact for you because
you have witnessed it, and you don't think what you are saying is a
matter of faith or belief it is factual for that reason? I'm quite sure
you know a few card tricks which can also point out that even witnessing
an event may not be good enough sometimes as well.
Kelly
how do you function? i mean it is really interesting to watch you call evolution stupid because nobody has seen it (a process that takes thousands of years and so far hasn't been reproduced artificially) yet you consider anything in the bible absolutely true. why? because some dood claims he was talking to god and god told him he had seen noah getting on a boat with a zoo? there are millions nuts today claiming they speak to god on a daily basis, why hasn't anyone made a gospel after them as well?
we already told you countless of circumstances where you don't have to watch a process happen you can simply observe it and make claims. if you see a sequoia tree fully grown you can safely assume it came from a seed without actually seeing that seed and watching it grow.
but you do not listen do you? you are a zealot. like all zealots, you only have faith, nothing more. no education, no knowledge. what little information you did have you threw away because you thought god wants us stupid as sheep and obedient just like them. so anything contradicting the "last book you will ever read" would be evil.
to paraphrase a brain dead rhp-er: "we are done here"
30 Sep '09 13:561 edit
Why has a bee's sting evolved to be barbed?
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