Originally posted by Suzianne
No. This quote is a lot like your Pascal's Wager website. Someone made it up because it sounds good and promotes their idea of what my God is like. You cannot describe my God in terms of Man. In fact, you do not have the slightest clue what my God is like because He is not your God. Describing the Creator in such flippant terms is blasphemy. You can c ...[text shortened]... extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof" all day, but they mean nothing.
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"any god who desires worship doesn't deserve it. any god who deserves worship wouldn't desire it"
Do you think any atheist gives a damn about blaspheming? (or that anyone should?)
Blasphemy is saying that which insults a god.
Atheists don't believe in god's, and are not going to worry about insulting them any more than
people worry about insulting the tooth fairy.
You are right, I have no idea what god is like (I also don't care), neither do you, given there is no
evidence that any god/s actually exists, let alone what it/they are like.
The quote doesn't require knowledge of the nature of god, and doesn't claim any.
It simply says that anyone worth worshipping wouldn't desire to be worshipped because the
very desire to be worshipped disqualifies you from deserving it.
If you believe your god deserves to be worshipped but requires people to worship it then the
person who uttered this quote (and everyone who agrees with it which would be pretty much
all atheists I would guess) would disagree with you and say that your god doesn't deserve to
be worshipped.
And can do so knowing nothing of your god other than the fact that it desires to be worshipped.
Also "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof" is a quote of Carl Sagan, and it is far from
meaningless in any sense of the word.
It is a simple expression of the fact that if you claim something mundane, like you claim to be called
Suzianne for example, then it doesn't require much in the way of evidence or proof to be accepted,
as being called Suzianne is wholly unremarkable.
However claiming that you were wonder woman, and that you had super powers, and fly around in
an invisible aeroplane... Then you need to show proof sufficient to justify such extraordinary claims.
This is so uncontentious it is beyond dispute, and it means that for you to claim evidence for a god
which is about the most remarkable and extraordinary claim you can make requires evidence and proof
of a similar magnitude.
I couldn't even tell you what such evidence would look like, and only a being as powerful as a god could
produce it... which is the point.
Such proof doesn't exist. I know this because if it did it would be irrefutable and undeniable and
unmissable... how could evidence of god from god be anything less.
You yourself claim that no evidence for god exists, and that you have to believe in god on faith alone.
This is our dispute, and what you just saw on the linked website is a simple (trivial actually) logical and
reasoned argument for why it is impossible to rationally justify believing in god based on blind faith alone.
I say trivial, because contrary to your claiming the need for satanic assistance, the reasoning behind his
arguments is trivially simple and easy, and while it is well written, the logical reasoning barely takes a
minute to do if that.
Belief in a god or god's is logically and rationally unsupportable without evidence a (proof) of god to back it up.
Blind faith is rationally and logically unsupportable.
Which is what I keep saying, you have to abandon logic and reason to believe in god.
This has been known and demonstrated for centuries, if not millennia, the ancient Greeks cottoned on to
much of it.
With the advent of modern science explaining the once inexplicable that could be mistaken for the work of,
and evidence for, god. Completely destroying the illusion that there is any evidence for god, it simply comes
down to asking whether you are prepared to completely abandon logic and reason, and observation of reality,
so that you can believe in a cultural fairy tale, of no use or value.