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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes, here is the equation

adherent + application of divine principles = more loving, tolerant, happy and purposeful individual.

Perhaps you would like to subject it to falsification?

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Elaborate on 'divine principles' and i'll have pop at falsification.

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
I suppose the usual answer would be that since the equations are part of nature, and nature is an expression of the divine nature, the equations are an effect of divinity.
I'm curious as to how you differentiate bewteen nature and 'divine' nature.

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Originally posted by Proper Knob
Elaborate on 'divine principles' and i'll have pop at falsification.
lol, you cannot have a pop at falsification, it cannot be done, there is no physical specimen that you could point to and say, here is an adherent that has applied divine principles and look he is less happy, less fulfilled, less purposeful than he was before, because how can you measure happiness? even if you could do it in principle, how would you do it in practice?

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
lol, you cannot have a pop at falsification, it cannot be done, there is no physical specimen that you could point to and say, here is an adherent that has applied divine principles and look he is less happy, less fulfilled, less purposeful than he was before, because how can you measure happiness?
Well then divinity cannot be classed in the same way as light and magnetism as you were trying to do.

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Originally posted by Proper Knob
Well then divinity cannot be classed in the same way as light and magnetism as you were trying to do.
why not? i was merely stating that there should be an effect, i did not say it was measurable. Observable yes, but not measurable.

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
why not? i was merely stating that there should be an effect, i did not say it was measurable. Observable yes, but not measurable.
Because light and magnetism can be measured, divinity cannot.

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
lol, you cannot have a pop at falsification, it cannot be done, there is no physical specimen that you could point to and say, here is an adherent that has applied divine principles and look he is less happy, less fulfilled, less purposeful than he was before, because how can you measure happiness? even if you could do it in principle, how would you do it in practice?
Either happiness is measurable or it isn't. If it isn't then your equation contains a category mistake ie the phrase 'more happy' is meaningless.
If happiness is measurable, then what is stopping us from measuring it in practice?
If it is measurable and we cannot measure it in practice, then does it matter?

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
why not? i was merely stating that there should be an effect, i did not say it was measurable. Observable yes, but not measurable.
If an effect is observable then it is measurable. Observation is measurement.

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Originally posted by Proper Knob
I'm curious as to how you differentiate bewteen nature and 'divine' nature.
If nature is an expression of the divine, wouldn't it be a contradiction to differentiate between the two?

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Originally posted by twhitehead
Either happiness is measurable or it isn't. If it isn't then your equation contains a category mistake ie the phrase 'more happy' is meaningless.
If happiness is measurable, then what is stopping us from measuring it in practice?
If it is measurable and we cannot measure it in practice, then does it matter?
actually its not that it is not measurable in the sense that there is a happometer, but in relation to what the individual and adherent was previously. Thus it becomes a matter of states, unhappy, unfulfilled to happy and fulfilled.

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Originally posted by amolv06
Shouldn't the burden of proof rest with the claimant?
why? its no skin off my nose if you don't believe. non-theists generally make claim that faith and faith based groups live under mass delusion yadda yadda. Prove God does not exist, and you'll be able to prove that we're deluded. Until then....

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
why not? i was merely stating that there should be an effect, i did not say it was measurable. Observable yes, but not measurable.
it may very well be measurable, we just don't have the means to do so....yet

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Originally posted by duecer
why? its no skin off my nose if you don't believe. non-theists generally make claim that faith and faith based groups live under mass delusion yadda yadda. Prove God does not exist, and you'll be able to prove that we're deluded. Until then....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_proof

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Originally posted by Palynka
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_proof
exactly

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Originally posted by duecer
exactly
What do you mean? It's false that something is true because it hasn't been proven false. So your argument has to be more than that.