Why I don't believe the Bible

Originally posted by twhitehead
What I have never understood is why Old Testament followers (Christians, Jews, Muslims) seem to think that the Garden of Eden was in the middle east. There is absolutely no reason to assume this is the case. I personally am convinced it was in New Zealand.
I think it is because people forget the flood.
You see, the whole world was flooded for over a mon ...[text shortened]... iddle earth into what we see today and get rid of all those pesky elves and dwarves and things.

because the book of Genesis specifically mentions both the Euphrates and the Tigris
rivers, which, to me knowledge, are not in New Zealand.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes, it is stated that its conjecture, never the less, real places are mentioned, giving an
approximate location, no amount of squirming can change this dear Agers. No i dont
know why its not mentioned dear Agers, although i am sure you are going to tell me.

I conjecture that the place where Gandalf was stood after the big change was somewhere in the west of New Zealand, thanks twhitehead for refreshing my memory about this detail - now is New Zealand not a real place!? Is there not a western part of it!???


As for why the Garden isn't mentioned in the LoTR, the reason for that is because there was no such place! Indeed find me one event supposed to have occured in the Bible that can be substantiated in the LoTR!

Originally posted by Agerg
I conjecture that the place where Gandalf was stood after the big change was somewhere in the south of New Zealand, thanks twhitehead for refreshing my memory about this detail - now is New Zealand not a real place!? Is there not a south part of it!???


As for why the Garden isn't mentioned in the LoTR, the reason for that is because there was no such plac ...[text shortened]... find me one event supposed to have occured in the Bible that can be substantiated in the LoTR!

is New Zealand mentioned in the Lord of the Rings, nope, is the Tigris river and the
euphrates mentioned in the Bible, yes, are they real places, yes, are any of the places
mentioned n Lord of the Rings real, no, they are fictional, making the claim not
conjectural, but pure fallacy! there is not one shred of evidence that the lord of the
rings is true, you cannot even point to one single place, nor one single event, in
contrast the Bible stands vindicated, real events, real places, real people.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
is New Zealand mentioned in the Lord of the Rings, nope, is the Tigris river and the
euphrates mentioned in the Bible, yes, are they real places, yes, are any of the places
mentioned n Lord of the Rings real, no, they are fictional, making the claim not
conjectural, but pure fallacy! there is not one shred of evidence that the lord of the
rin ...[text shortened]... single event, in
contrast the Bible stands vindicated, real events, real places, real people.

Like I said, prior to the big change those places existed...Does it not make sense that the reason you can't visit them now is because they've been magicked away!???

There is plenty of evidence LoTR is true, indeed there are prophecies which are given in the first book which are fulfilled in the later books!!! How do you get round that one Robbie?

As for real people in the Bible, where is your evidence that there was a virgin Mary who conceived the Son of God Jesus corroborated outside the Bible?
Nowhere! That's where it's corroborated, absolutely nowhere...real people - bumf!

Originally posted by Agerg
Like I said, prior to the big change those places existed...Does it not make sense that the reason you can't visit them now is because they've been magicked away!???

There is plenty of evidence LoTR is true, indeed there are prophecies which are given in the first book which are fulfilled in the later books!!! How do you get round that one Robbie?

As fo ...[text shortened]... he Bible?
Nowhere! That's where it's corroborated, absolutely nowhere...real people - bumf!

If you think for one moment, that i am going to go through every single Biblical
character and substantiate their existence, you are sorely mistaken. Naturally Christ
had a mother, it seems that her name was Mary. what of it? are you saying that he
did not have a mother? that her name was not Mary? on what basis are you asserting
that Christ did not have a mother and her name was not Mary?

Prophecies that can be corroborated through archaeology dear Agers, oh please, do tell, this should be a laugh.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
If you think for one moment, that i am going to go through every single Biblical
character and substantiate their existence, you are sorely mistaken. Naturally Christ
had a mother, it seems that her name was Mary. what of it? are you saying that he
did not have a mother? that her name was not Mary? on what basis are you asserting
that Ch ...[text shortened]... ary?

Prophecies that can be corroborated through archaeology dear Agers, oh please, do tell?

Because the LoTR doesn't say a damned thing about Jesus, that's why! Moreover, how do virgins give birth...was she artificially inseminated or something!??? Utter nonsense! 😕 Also, the fact that you're not going to substantiate any Biblical charcter's existence is telling!

and archaeology would be a bit pointless now given it's a different world we live in! But if you read the LoTR without the critical and scathing eyes you demonstrate now you will see how these marvellous prophecies unfold. It is truly wonderful how it all fits together - undeniable proof it is true.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Except that Robbie didn't say all that on the 1st of April, nor do most Christians who basically make the same implausible claims.

Time for Robbie to say it was all a joke and he is actually atheist?

Originally posted by Agerg
Because the LoTR doesn't say a damned thing about Jesus, that's why! Moreover, how do virgins give birth...was she artificially inseminated or something!??? Utter nonsense! 😕 Also, the fact that you're not going to substantiate any Biblical charcter's existence is telling!

and archaeology would be a bit pointless now given it's a different world we live in ...[text shortened]... ecies unfold. It is truly wonderful how it all fits together - undeniable proof it is true.

lame excuses, pure lamebo!

Biblical prophecy can be corroborated through archaeology, Christ did prophecy that
Jerusalem would be destroyed and it was, but nooo real archaeological evidence for
the Lord of the Rings prophecies, oh there there, it must be a hard pill to swallow for a
bad ol putty cat.

As for it being nonsense, nope, you cannot state that, all you can state is, that to you, it
seems improbable.

Originally posted by lausey
Time for Robbie to say it was all a joke and he is actually atheist?

i'd rather be striped naked, covered in honey and thrown into a wasp infested pit!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
lame excuses, pure lamebo!

Biblical prophecy can be corroborated through archaeology, Christ did prophecy that
Jerusalem would be destroyed and it was, but nooo real archaeological evidence for
the Lord of the Rings prophecies, oh there there, it must be a hard pill to swallow for a
bad ol putty cat.

As for it being nonsense, nope, you cannot state that, all you can state is, that to you, it
seems improbable.

Does the Bible say precisely when Jerusalem would be destroyed, and precisely how, and in such ways it could not be engineered to come true later??? indeed it's hardly remarkable to me that humans having read the Bible later fulfill the 'prophecy' for their own agendas later on. Furthermore, no such thing was foretold in the LoTR.

Perhaps you can give us an example of a highly specific prophecy that had no human involvement that has been archaeologically proven to have taken place?...you can't? ah well never mind ;]

Originally posted by Agerg
Does the Bible say precisely when Jerusalem would be destroyed, and precisely how, and in such ways it could not be engineered to come true later??? indeed it's hardly remarkable to me that humans having read the Bible later fulfill the 'prophecy' for their own agendas later on. Furthermore, no such thing was foretold in the LoTR.

yes it in fact does, not only that, it gives the extent of the carnage! oh your in for a
lesson here dear Agers, soo the Isrealities welcomed the entire destruction of a nation
at the hands of the Romans so that prophecy could be fulfilled? so Jesus deliberately
got arrested, drank sour wine, had his side pierced, and lots cast over his clothes,
while hanging on a torture stake, with nails through his hands and feet and managed to
arrange those events in advance, so that prophecy could be fulfilled, muhaha, it is to
laugh! I will go into the details of the destruction of Jerusalem later, at the moment, i
need to rest.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes it in fact does, not only that, it gives the extent of the carnage! oh your in for a
lesson here dear Agers, soo the Isrealities welcomed the entire destruction of a nation
at the hands of the Romans so that prophecy could be fulfilled? so Jesus deliberately
got arrested, drank sour wine, had his side pierced, and lots cast over his clothes ...[text shortened]... will go into the details of the destruction of Jerusalem later, at the moment, i
need to rest.

Here's one for you, whilst you're trying to contrive it such that your 'prophecy' could not have been 'fulfilled' by humans (along with a specifc and unambiguous timeline, along with the exact methods used)...I prophecise that someone else other than you or I will make a post in this thread before the day is through, the poster shall specifically address his post to you.

Let's see if this comes true...

Originally posted by Agerg
Here's one for you, whilst you're trying to contrive it such that your 'prophecy' could not have been 'fulfilled' by humans...I prophecise that someone else other than you or I will make a post in this thread before the day is through, the poster shall specifically address his post to you.

Let's see if this comes true...

If only I were a moderator, I could close this thread now. hee hee😛

Originally posted by Agerg
Here's one for you, whilst you're trying to contrive it such that your 'prophecy' could not have been 'fulfilled' by humans...I prophecise that someone else other than you or I will make a post in this thread before the day is through, the poster shall specifically address his post to you.

Let's see if this comes true...

contrive? plueeeze, the events are well known and were recorded hundreds of years
ago. My head hurts and i need to rest.

Originally posted by Doward
If only I were a moderator, I could close this thread now. hee hee😛

I already thought about that, and have a response should it occur ;]