Originally posted by black beetle Nope; the effect on the universe is not observable solely by the theist because it is a fruit of enlightenment thanks to the phainomenon of the grace of God. And it is God the agent that will choose whether or not a person will become, if ever, enlightened. Furthermore, this effect is existent although it is not observable by the wicked. Therefore such ...[text shortened]... ists for both the theist and the wicked atheist, and both of them exist in the same universe
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yes this can even be biblically substantiated π
Originally posted by black beetle Nope; the effect on the universe is not observable solely by the theist because it is a fruit of enlightenment thanks to the phainomenon of the grace of God. And it is God the agent that will choose whether or not a person will become, if ever, enlightened. Furthermore, this effect is existent although it is not observable by the wicked. Therefore such ...[text shortened]... ists for both the theist and the wicked atheist, and both of them exist in the same universe
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So essentially, being wicked, it is impossible for the theist to show me, or explain to me his observations, and my scientific instruments will be similarly encumbered. Can I not then claim that as far as I am concerned such a God truly does not exist, because his effects can essentially never be observed by me?
Originally posted by twhitehead So essentially, being wicked, it is impossible for the theist to show me, or explain to me his observations, and my scientific instruments will be similarly encumbered. Can I not then claim that as far as I am concerned such a God truly does not exist, because his effects can essentially never be observed by me?
You can claim that In Your Opinion such a God truly does not exist, however you cannot prove by means of scientific facts and evidence that such a God does not truly existπ΅
Originally posted by black beetle If his 26th parachute jump was as fine as the previous 25, I would love to know what that tricky Scot of yers would say thenπ΅
Lol, one should not go scuba diving from a parachute jump π
a statement that even Confucius would be proud of.π΅
Originally posted by black beetle A violin without strings
plays music all day long;
Oxen made of clay
keep up wandering all night long;
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And I too, madly—
with violins in the blooms,
and bees without strings,
and oxen unsung
under spring moons—
wander and dance
wander and dance
wander madly
wander and dance!
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I think there ought to be a cue for Robbie and the bagpipes here somewhere…