16 Aug 06
I was reading about a fellow named Apollonius of Tyana whose life had many similarities to the life of Jesus. He lived at about the same time as Jesus, he performed miracles, preached a philosophy of love, gathered disciples, got punished by Roman authorities and ascended into heaven. So why did Jesus come to be viewed as the savior and not Apollonius. I suspect it has to do with emperor Constantine's conversion. Does anybody know anything else about this?
16 Aug 06
Originally posted by bvbno do you have a source?
I was reading about a fellow named Apollonius of Tyana whose life had many similarities to the life of Jesus. He lived at about the same time as Jesus, he performed miracles, preached a philosophy of love, gathered disciples, got punished by Roman authorities and ascended into heaven. So why did Jesus come to be viewed as the savior and not Apollonius. I suspect ...[text shortened]... it has to do with emperor Constantine's conversion. Does anybody know anything else about this?
16 Aug 06
Originally posted by bvbThe story of Mithras is similar also.
I was reading about a fellow named Apollonius of Tyana whose life had many similarities to the life of Jesus. He lived at about the same time as Jesus, he performed miracles, preached a philosophy of love, gathered disciples, got punished by Roman authorities and ascended into heaven. So why did Jesus come to be viewed as the savior and not Apollonius. I suspect ...[text shortened]... it has to do with emperor Constantine's conversion. Does anybody know anything else about this?
16 Aug 06
Originally posted by bvbWhy Jesus? Why not any other fellow who claimed to be the Messiah? Also, what of the Greek gods? What of the Roman gods? What of the Canaanite gods? It gets one to think, no?
I was reading about a fellow named Apollonius of Tyana whose life had many similarities to the life of Jesus. He lived at about the same time as Jesus, he performed miracles, preached a philosophy of love, gathered disciples, got punished by Roman authorities and ascended into heaven. So why did Jesus come to be viewed as the savior and not Apollonius. I suspect ...[text shortened]... it has to do with emperor Constantine's conversion. Does anybody know anything else about this?
16 Aug 06
Originally posted by bvbI don't know. Philostratus only published his Life of Appolonius in 220 AD, well after the Christian church was established and it is a very unreliable source. Appolonius was also apparently working from within a neo-Pythagorian tradition so he didn't offer the sort of dramatic break from tradition that Christ did. The Emperor Septimius Severus was however said to have worshipped him. In my opinion Appolonius was just a bit too high-brow for the masses. Read more here: http://www.livius.org/ap-ark/apollonius/apollonius01.html
Does anybody know anything else about this?
16 Aug 06
Originally posted by bvbActually a large proportion of people prefer Mohammed to Jesus. There are also quite a number of other "prophets" with large followings.
So why did Jesus come to be viewed as the savior and not Apollonius.
There are many reasons why people follow a cirtain person or message or faith.
17 Aug 06
Originally posted by bvbOf course the real reason was the American government. In the year 2170, when they were done sending elite soldiers back in time to wipe out the dinosaurs, the operation had some leftover fundings. So they decided to spend it by going back in time once more. This time they only went back to 1 B.C., where they saw to it that their man got all the right breaks. This is the reason why Apollonius was shamelessly robbed of his well earned place in history.
So why did Jesus come to be viewed as the savior and not Apollonius.
17 Aug 06
Originally posted by KurtHoeghIt probably would have helped a bit more if they went back to the time when Jesus was actually doing a spot of preaching. Surely that's more effective than trying to set up a 3-year-old for the next 30 years of his life. Half the people you bribe will be dead before they can be any use.
Of course the real reason was the American government. In the year 2170, when they were done sending elite soldiers back in time to wipe out the dinosaurs, the operation had some leftover fundings. So they decided to spend it by going back in time once more. This time they only went back to 1 B.C., where they saw to it that their man got all the right brea ...[text shortened]... s. This is the reason why Apollonius was shamelessly robbed of his well earned place in history.
17 Aug 06
Originally posted by orfeoNot at all. They had him pre-programmed from the start. All they had to do was a quick in-and-out job to replace the real Jesus with their android. Of course there were some follow-up operations going on behind the scenes, to make sure that things went along smoothly.
It probably would have helped a bit more if they went back to the time when Jesus was actually doing a spot of preaching. Surely that's more effective than trying to set up a 3-year-old for the next 30 years of his life. Half the people you bribe will be dead before they can be any use.
19 Aug 06
Originally posted by FlixotideYes, of course. Anything that points to the fictionalization of "Jesus" is to be met with derision and cries of "fake moon landing nuts!". The fact remains that Apollonius of Tyana could very well be the historical figure on which the myth of Jesus was created.
Even better if it turns out Virgin Mary gives birth to our little friend from E.T. :-)
http://www.geocities.com/nephilimnot/apollonius_of_tyanna.html#Comparisons_to_Jesus_Christ