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    21 May '15 11:52
    Why religion doesn't work, And why Science and Religion are incompatible.
    Or why you shouldn't believe anything based on faith

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2015/05/religious_exemptions_from_medical_care_faith_healing_kills_children.html


    .... These exemptions have produced the expected result: Hundreds of children have gotten sick and died because their parents resorted to faith rather than medicine. I cover this ongoing tragedy, one of the most serious conflicts between rationality and superstition, in my new book, Faith vs. Fact: Why Science and Religion Are Incompatible, and you can read more in Caroline Fraser’s God’s Perfect Child: Living and Dying in the Christian Science Church and Paul Offit’s Bad Faith. These children either have no choice in their treatment or are not mature enough to make informed decisions. Some, like children of Jehovah’s Witnesses who die from refusing blood transfusions, are even extolled as “Youths who put God first.” All of them are martyrs to their parents’ religion.

    Most of these deaths are needless. A 1998 medical study analyzed cases of child mortality due to faith-based medical neglect and found that of the 172 deceased, 140 had conditions that would have been curable with a probability of greater than 90 percent, while another 18 would have been cured with a probability between 50 and 90 percent. All but three of the children would have been helped by real medical care. ....
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    21 May '15 13:12
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Why religion doesn't work, And why Science and Religion are incompatible.
    Or why you shouldn't believe anything based on faith

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2015/05/religious_exemptions_from_medical_care_faith_healing_kills_children.html


    .... These exemptions have produced the expected result: H ...[text shortened]... percent. All but three of the children would have been helped by real medical care. ....
    I can't wait for the "YEAH BUTs"
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    21 May '15 13:24
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    I can't wait for the "YEAH BUTs"
    I've been reading the 'peek inside' of his new book

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/0670026530/?tag=slatmaga-20

    Which looks like a good worthwhile read.
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    21 May '15 21:14
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Why religion doesn't work, And why Science and Religion are incompatible.
    Or why you shouldn't believe anything based on faith

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2015/05/religious_exemptions_from_medical_care_faith_healing_kills_children.html


    .... These exemptions have produced the expected result: H ...[text shortened]... percent. All but three of the children would have been helped by real medical care. ....
    That is not faith. Get real.
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    21 May '15 23:01
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    That is not faith. Get real.
    It's not your faith perhaps, but you don't have any sort of monopoly on the topic.

    And we are talking about hundreds of kids being killed by their parents [guardians].

    How much more real would you have us get?
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    22 May '15 02:08
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Why religion doesn't work, And why Science and Religion are incompatible.
    Or why you shouldn't believe anything based on faith

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2015/05/religious_exemptions_from_medical_care_faith_healing_kills_children.html


    .... These exemptions have produced the expected result: H ...[text shortened]... percent. All but three of the children would have been helped by real medical care. ....
    This concerns cult groups. So this is a very limited study and about anything can be alleged by his standards.
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    22 May '15 04:30
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Why religion doesn't work, And why Science and Religion are incompatible.
    Or why you shouldn't believe anything based on faith

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2015/05/religious_exemptions_from_medical_care_faith_healing_kills_children.html


    .... These exemptions have produced the expected result: H ...[text shortened]... percent. All but three of the children would have been helped by real medical care. ....
    Books like that one are so gratuitously anti-religion that they are predictable to the point of being boring reads.

    Has anyone wondered if we should be saving so many humans from so many diseases? Our population has shot up to 7 billion and rising like mad. Perhaps there's plenty of us on the planet already, and we should even it out at this point?
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    22 May '15 05:14
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    It's not your faith perhaps, but you don't have any sort of monopoly on the topic.

    And we are talking about hundreds of kids being killed by their parents [guardians].

    How much more real would you have us get?
    Those parents are 'tempting God'. That's not faith.
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    22 May '15 06:37
    Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
    Has anyone wondered if we should be saving so many humans from so many diseases? Our population has shot up to 7 billion and rising like mad. Perhaps there's plenty of us on the planet already, and we should even it out at this point?
    Oddly enough better medical care results in people having fewer children and lower population growth.
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    22 May '15 06:482 edits
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Oddly enough better medical care results in people having fewer children and lower population growth.
    So basically there is a small downward ramp at the top of this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population#/media/File: Population_curve.svg

    You'll need to remove the space between the colon and the "P" for the link to work.
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    22 May '15 07:25
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Why religion doesn't work, And why Science and Religion are incompatible.
    Or why you shouldn't believe anything based on faith

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2015/05/religious_exemptions_from_medical_care_faith_healing_kills_children.html


    .... These exemptions have produced the expected result: H ...[text shortened]... percent. All but three of the children would have been helped by real medical care. ....
    You are not well read are you...........

    True religion found in the Vedas does not subscribe to superstitious and mundane faith based cures.

    True religion depends firstly on a healthy diet which eliminates poisonous meat.

    It then depends on a healthy life style.

    Then if someone falls ill, true religion depends on the Ayurveda.

    Look up Ayurveda and learn something.

    Every Western pill manufactured depends on the herbs and plants and minerals from mother earth...........and the scientist just puts it all together.

    The pills would not exist accept for the Lords mercy of giving us all mother nature.

    The Ayurveda has existed from the beginning of time along with the only true religion on earth.

    Your complaints are all about the worlds false religions..................So why do you spend so much of your time studying what false religion is doing and then complaining about it.

    It is common sense to know that anything that is false will deliver false actions and beliefs.

    True science and true religion are 100% compatible..............however false science and false religion are not.
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    22 May '15 08:13
    Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
    So basically there is a small downward ramp at the top of this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population#/media/File: Population_curve.svg

    You'll need to remove the space between the colon and the "P" for the link to work.
    I said 'lower population growth' not 'population shrink'.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population#/media/File:World_population_growth_rate_1950%E2%80%932050.svg

    Currently we are still experiencing population growth due to ageing, and some parts of the world with conflict and poor medical facilities like Africa, are still experiencing significant growth.
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    22 May '15 09:18
    Originally posted by Dasa
    You are not well read are you...........

    True religion found in the Vedas does not subscribe to superstitious and mundane faith based cures.

    True religion depends firstly on a healthy diet which eliminates poisonous meat.

    It then depends on a healthy life style.

    Then if someone falls ill, true religion depends on the Ayurveda.

    Look up Ayurveda an ...[text shortened]... rue religion are 100% compatible..............however false science and false religion are not.
    This sounds good except Christians believe the Holy Bible is true and that one can have a healty diet that includes meat that is not poisonous. Science even includes meat on the food pyramid chart for a healty diet. 😏
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    23 May '15 00:481 edit
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    This sounds good except Christians believe the Holy Bible is true and that one can have a healty diet that includes meat that is not poisonous. Science even includes meat on the food pyramid chart for a healty diet. 😏
    Keeping animals locked in cages so they are ready for execution and then slaughtering them and eating the flesh is not what Holy Men do.

    Persons who follow true religion are passive and gentle and kind ....................therefore meat eating is for the "Malechas" and dogs......(look it up its a Sanskrit word.)
  15. Standard memberRJHinds
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    23 May '15 04:51
    Originally posted by Dasa
    Keeping animals locked in cages so they are ready for execution and then slaughtering them and eating the flesh is not what Holy Men do.

    Persons who follow true religion are passive and gentle and kind ....................therefore meat eating is for the "Malechas" and dogs......(look it up its a Sanskrit word.)
    I have no need for sanskit word. I accept the word of God from the Holy Bible.
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