1. Standard memberRajk999
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    29 May '17 15:29
    Sonship says : 'EVERYONE who believes into Jesus Christ HAS ALREADY BEEN JUDGED ...'

    Then all is well with Christians. Nothing to worry about. Or is there?
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    29 May '17 15:42
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    Sonship says : 'EVERYONE who believes into Jesus Christ HAS ALREADY BEEN JUDGED ...'

    Then all is well with Christians. Nothing to worry about. Or is there?
    What if the crucifixion has saved everyone, with no strings attached?

    God sent Jesus to save the world, NOT to judge it.
    John 3:17

    Maybe?
  3. Standard memberdj2becker
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    29 May '17 15:512 edits
    Originally posted by chaney3
    What if the crucifixion has saved everyone, with no strings attached?

    God sent Jesus to save the world, NOT to judge it.
    John 3:17

    Maybe?
    Everyone that believes, among other things.
  4. Standard memberchaney3
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    29 May '17 16:06
    Originally posted by dj2becker
    Everyone that believes, among other things.
    That's 'strings attached'.
    What if the sacrifice was bigger than the credit we are giving?
    Besides, who is really correct in their view anyway.....are you willing to bet your eternity on your interpretation?
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    29 May '17 16:19
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    Sonship says : 'EVERYONE who believes into Jesus Christ HAS ALREADY BEEN JUDGED ...'

    Then all is well with Christians. Nothing to worry about. Or is there?
    You are wrongly conflating to concepts. Scripture clearly and unequivocally states in Romans 8 that there is no longer ANY condemnation for those who are in Christ.

    However, Christians should be concerned about their followership and discipleship.
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    29 May '17 16:20
    Originally posted by chaney3
    That's 'strings attached'.
    What if the sacrifice was bigger than the credit we are giving?
    Besides, who is really correct in their view anyway.....are you willing to bet your eternity on your interpretation?
    Each one of us is betting our eternity on our interpretation by holding to our paths, you think that isn't true?
    Christ died for us, I believe that.
    Christ promised to give us His Spirit, I believe that.
    The Holy Spirit will teach us about God and direct our steps, helping us to avoid sin, I believe that.
    If I follow my baser fleshly desires I will with out a doubt be serving sin instead of God, I believe that.
    I believe Jesus died so I could be free, and live in Him.
    I believe that those that reject this great salvation will do just that, reject it.

    I believe God's love for us is so great, that He made a way for sinners, those of us who
    have guilt before God, to be saved by turning to Jesus Christ, who is our high priest sitting
    at the right hand of God the Father.
  7. Standard memberdj2becker
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    29 May '17 16:41
    Originally posted by chaney3
    That's 'strings attached'.
    What if the sacrifice was bigger than the credit we are giving?
    Besides, who is really correct in their view anyway.....are you willing to bet your eternity on your interpretation?
    It only matters if it is true that Christ died for us. If you take this part out of the Bible to be true, why ignore the rest of it?
  8. Standard memberRajk999
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    29 May '17 18:24
    Originally posted by chaney3
    What if the crucifixion has saved everyone, with no strings attached?

    God sent Jesus to save the world, NOT to judge it.
    John 3:17

    Maybe?
    Thats cherrypicking. It must be those who believe in Christ as the same passage states
    Belief with your mouth and talking about Christ is worthless.
    Belief with the heart means that you act on the teachings of Christ.
    You must live the life Christ commanded.
    Some life that life by instinct and by following their conscience.
  9. Standard memberRajk999
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    29 May '17 18:28
    Originally posted by divegeester
    You are wrongly conflating to concepts. Scripture clearly and unequivocally states in Romans 8 that there is no longer ANY condemnation for those who are in Christ.

    However, Christians should be concerned about their followership and discipleship.
    I suspect we differ on what being 'in Christ ' means.

    Some take that to mean all those who profess their faith - they are in Christ.

    I take that to mean that those who obey Christ.
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