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Originally posted by SwissGambitJust as the scriptures indicate, heaven and earth WILL pass away!!
Yep. The 'hot death'.
Now you ready to convert!! 😛
Originally posted by whodeyEc 1:4 says different. It says it will stand to times endifinite. Matt 5:5 says the meek will inherint the earth.
Just as the scriptures indicate, heaven and earth WILL pass away!!
Now you ready to convert!! 😛
Originally posted by galveston75Matt 5:5, when it says Earth a lot of the time it means Heaven, how could they inherit something they already have? Also like I said ealirer Heaven in this context means the sky.
Ec 1:4 says different. It says it will stand to times endifinite. Matt 5:5 says the meek will inherint the earth.
So the other scriptures that have been quoted must mean something else because the heavens could not literally be destroyed because of God, Jesus and all the angels being there.?
Originally posted by daniel58Why destroy the sky? Why destroy the earth even. There is nothing wrong with it.
Matt 5:5, when it says Earth a lot of the time it means Heaven, how could they inherit something they already have? Also like I said ealirer Heaven in this context means the sky.
Originally posted by daniel58No, the future tense in Greek, and other languages, can often convey probability, possibility, obligation or purpose. The Greek future participle especially (i.e. 'about to do' or 'going to do'😉 often indicates intention or purpose, rather than positing a fact about the future. The Latin future passive participle (the gerundive) however indicates necessity and obligation (what must be done). There is also a similar phenomenon in Italian and English. For example, a person may hear their doorbell ring and remark 'That will be the pizza man'. The person does not mean 'in some time in the future, the person at the door will be a pizza man' (although this is strictly true if there is a pizza man). What is probably meant is 'that must be the pizza man'. These examples only serve to illustrate that tenses can often have several nuances and quite possibly in this context, the Greek future tense is just used to indicate a possibility about the future.
No it says; "Heaven and Earth WILL pass away, but my words shall never pass away". Not might pass away or "more likely" to pass away. No what "Heaven" means in this context is the sky.
Originally posted by daniel58Surely someone here knows enough Hebrew or Greek to tell us whether the original word could have meant 'sky'?
No it says; "Heaven and Earth WILL pass away, but my words shall never pass away". Not might pass away or "more likely" to pass away. No what "Heaven" means in this context is the sky.
Originally posted by twhiteheadThe Greek is 'ouranos' which could mean sky or heaven.
Surely someone here knows enough Hebrew or Greek to tell us whether the original word could have meant 'sky'?
As the sentence stands in English it could easily be interpreted as simply emphasizing that his words will never pass away.
Originally posted by twhiteheadYes. In English, there is a difference between 'heaven' and 'the heavens'. The latter refers to the sky, while the other has connotations of paradise and an afterlife. I don't think that Greek makes this same distinction. The Latin translation certainly doesn't. The Latin word 'caelum' can mean either as well.
Thank you.
The phrase as quoted earlier in English "Heaven and Earth WILL pass away" implies heaven and not 'the sky' as one would normally say "The heavens" when referring to the sky.
Originally posted by karoly aczelThe earth - as in the third rock from the sun - will go on whether humans do or not and whether or not there are 'environmental imbalances'.
If we dont destroy ourselves and correct the enviromental imbalances we have created the Earth should go on for a bit longer. It will expire one way or another though, but hopefully by that time we would have evolved enough to be able to migrate to other planets and keep the (Earth)human species alive.
Then again physical survival may not be what 'God' had planned for us.
Originally posted by twhiteheadI reckon the Earth, as an entity, is sick of us humans. Either we wise up or the Earth(with the help of the rest of the universe)is going to kick us out.
The earth - as in the third rock from the sun - will go on whether humans do or not and whether or not there are 'environmental imbalances'.
I actually don't think the human species is particularly threatened by environmental imbalances, I just believe that it could be very costly or damaging to us. For example if sea levels rise we will have to evacuate ...[text shortened]... ere massive food shortages many people would die, but again, we would not easily go extinct.