Galatians 5:19-21
King James Version
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
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@KellyJay saidNo kidding, and maybe we could also add deceptions and profiteering.
Galatians 5:19-21
King James Version
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
No idea what to do. It's not as if we can bully other people into being and behaving more Christian (although apparently some have tried).
I'm partway through Joel S. Goldsmith's "The Thunder of Silence" which somewhat touches on these matters, and am aware of Laurence Galian's book about Archon infestations and what to do about them ("Alien Parasites" ), which I might add to my reading stack.
Side-note: Aside from other traits Paul seems to have expressed through his writings (leaving aside the six letters where his authorship is in doubt or denied), I think Paul might have been squeamish about the pleasures of the flesh, including the ones where no-one was harmed -- but it's also kind of understandable, because in a former phase of his life he was a persecutor of others and maybe when he rejected that, he rejected everything he used to be and enjoy -- while still perhaps continuing to be somewhat of a persecutor but with different filters on (one possibility).
In Mark's gospel, ch. 7 there's a story where Jesus tries to avoid a situation, for he appears to allow control of his will and self-abasement. Do you agree, Jesus seemed swayed by the Syrophenician woman's fare about crumbs? Even though embarrassing the Light allows extenuated instances, where miracles work.
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@KellyJay saidFor all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
Galatians 5:19-21
King James Version
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Romans 3: 23
Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous,
no one who does what is right and never sins.
Ecclesiastes 7:20
If I may suggest Kelly - You're not telling the whole story here. Jesus took upon himself the sins of the entire world, and paid the price for those sins, so that those who believe in him as their savior, shall be saved.
Your OP carries with it some rather judgmental overtones. Perhaps it's best to let God do the judging.
@mchill saidIt should carry a rather harsh warning since all of us are guilty and require a Savior.
For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
Romans 3: 23
Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous,
no one who does what is right and never sins.
Ecclesiastes 7:20
If I may suggest Kelly - You're not telling the whole story here. Jesus took upon himself the sins of the entire world, and paid the price for those sins, so that those who believe in ...[text shortened]... ur OP carries with it some rather judgmental overtones. Perhaps it's best to let God do the judging.
@mchill saidThis is a fundamental flaw made by Christians. Solomon in all his wisdom did not and can not know everything. He had no Bible in those days, only the Torah and some of the Psalms maybe, so he cannot see all the people referred by other writers as being 'righteous' and ' perfect'. Dozens of people God called them righteous and/or perfect.
For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
Romans 3: 23
Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous,
no one who does what is right and never sins.
Ecclesiastes 7:20
If I may suggest Kelly - You're not telling the whole story here. Jesus took upon himself the sins of the entire world, and paid the price for those sins, so that those who believe in ...[text shortened]... ur OP carries with it some rather judgmental overtones. Perhaps it's best to let God do the judging.
All the writings of the bible does not stand one equal footing, and in these days you need to be especially wary since part of the bible of the Apostles have been removed, and books added by the Catholic Church. The words of Christ stand head and shoulders above all.
Jesus did call people righteous and He often asked His disciples to be perfect. This indicates that a state of perfection is in fact attainable in this life.
@Rajk999 saidSo humans do not need a savior?
This is a fundamental flaw made by Christians. Solomon in all his wisdom did not and can not know everything. He had no Bible in those days, only the Torah and some of the Psalms maybe, so he cannot see all the people referred by other writers as being 'righteous' and ' perfect'. Dozens of people God called them righteous and/or perfect.
All the writings of the bible do ...[text shortened]... ciples to be perfect. This indicates that a state of perfection is in fact attainable in this life.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke said"(His prime target were those people who didn't have cake)."
A pâtissier may give everybody on Earth a free cake, even though some of those people may already have a decent slice of cake. (His prime target were those people who didn't have cake).
All answers can be found in cake.
And at the time, this was mainly Gentiles. We're still the biggest group without cake. We're also the biggest group who claim we have cake.
@KellyJay saidWouldn't works of the flesh also include construction, civil engineering, biological propagation, commerce, advertising, teaching, reading, writing, publishing, astronomy, chemistry, physics, mathematics, and animal husbandry?
Galatians 5:19-21
King James Version
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Paul seems to have been a single, unmarried man, a rambler and a roamer, a manic busybody, and maybe an epileptic who might have misunderstood the light in his head.
Why quote him and give any especial credence to what he wrote or dictated (presumably while pacing about)?