Originally posted by danielsmith Question for all people:
Would you still eat the apple knowing what God's response was?
Absolutley. As a reasoning being, with free will (supposedly, given the christian standpoint), not only do I have the right, I have a duty to do so. If god gave me the ability to make my own decisions and yet, knowing in his infinite wisdom that I would naturally be imperfect, placed a temptation that large in the Garden, then he gets everything he's asking for. I'd hate to disappoint his omniscience.
Originally posted by FreakyKBH It's a foregone conclusion that everyone would have, eventually. Of course, it's difficult to determine that the fruit was an apple.
It's a foregone conclusion because, being omniscient, god knew Adam would eat from the apple. He knew, in advance, the exact hour that Adam would do so. It is quite clear that despite his warnings not to eat it, this is exactly what god had in mind all along. His warnings were, in fact, nothing but play acting. It is impossible that Adam could have taken an omniscient god by surprise. So it is abundantly clear that if mankind is in a "fallen" state, it is because that is exactly where god wanted them to be.
Originally posted by rwingett It's a foregone conclusion because, being omniscient, god knew Adam would eat from the apple. He knew, in advance, the exact hour that Adam would do so. It is quite clear that despite his warnings not to eat it, this is exactly what god had in mind all along. His warnings were, in fact, nothing but play acting. It is impossible that Adam could have taken an ...[text shortened]... if mankind is in a "fallen" state, it is because that is exactly where god wanted them to be.
Originally posted by XanthosNZ God's a bit of a bastard.
It is impossible that god has all three qualities traditionally attributed to him - omnipotence, omniscience, and omnibenevolence. He must necessarily lack at least one of those qualities. Maybe more.
Originally posted by rwingett It is impossible that god has all three qualities traditionally attributed to him - omnipotence, omniscience, and omnibenevolence. He must necessarily lack at least one of those qualities. Maybe more.
Originally posted by Wheely You're saying he IS a bastard then?
He is either a dimwit, a weakling, a bastard, or some combination of all three. In any event, even if there IS a god, he is certainly not worthy of worship.
Wasn't the apple what gave knowledge of good and evil though? And this is in respect to Christianity, which means knowledge of not-sinning and sinning. If I didn't eat the apple how could I know eating it was a sin and that there would be consequences?
Would you eat the apple?
29 May '06 18:54
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