You need proof?

Originally posted by josephw
There is no documented historical evidence that any of those people ever died and rose from the dead.

add Jesus to that list.

Originally posted by amannion
World wide publishing, decades after the event.
It'd be like me writing about the construction of the Berlin Wall.

I wasn't actually there, but I heard a lot about it ...

Your analogy is weak.

We're talking about an event that occurred in a small berg 2000 years ago, and has shaped world events like nothing else.

Originally posted by josephw
Your analogy is weak.

We're talking about an event that occurred in a small berg 2000 years ago, and has shaped world events like nothing else.

So what?
Is your measure for the 'truth' of an event, how much it shapes world history?

Originally posted by Red Night
add Jesus to that list.

Jesus is the only one on that list. And that's my point.

Can't anyone come up with something substantial to counter my point?

Originally posted by josephw
Jesus is the only one on that list. And that's my point.

Can't anyone come up with something substantial to counter my point?

What was your point exactly?

Someone wrote something about some guy years after his death. Later, a lot of people started to reinterpret his life to be something magical.
And now, voila ...?

Originally posted by amannion
So what?
Is your measure for the 'truth' of an event, how much it shapes world history?

That's not my point.

What I'm driving at is, is that no one can even counterfeit the resurrection.

Why?

One would think there would be hundreds of would be resurrected Gods in this jumbled up world.

Originally posted by josephw
That's not my point.

What I'm driving at is, is that no one can even counterfeit the resurrection.

Why?

One would think there would be hundreds of would be resurrected Gods in this jumbled up world.

No one can even prove to me that the resurrection even occurred - so what was your point again?

We're getting ahead of each other here!

Originally posted by amannion
No one can even prove to me that the resurrection even occurred - so what was your point again?

It's not necessarily my point to prove the resurrection occurred.

But why it isn't counterfeited is my point.

I think that it may speak volumes.

Let's assume it's true that Jesus was God and that he died and rose from the dead for a moment.
If it's true, then so would be the rest of the story. That story says we have a common enemy in the person of Satan. Every one knows that Satan wants to be like God.
So why can't he counterfeit the resurrection?

Right! There is no God.

But just play along with me for a bit.

Why are there no other resurrected Gods?

Originally posted by josephw
It's not necessarily my point to prove the resurrection occurred.

But why it isn't counterfeited is my point.

I think that it may speak volumes.

Let's assume it's true that Jesus was God and that he died and rose from the dead for a moment.
If it's true, then so would be the rest of the story. That story says we have a common enemy in the person of ...[text shortened]... God.

But just play along with me for a bit.

Why are there no other resurrected Gods?

Just because one part of a story is true doesn't make it all true.
If god did exist and the story is true, why would there be a need for other resurrected gods?

Originally posted by amannion
Just because one part of a story is true doesn't make it all true.
If god did exist and the story is true, why would there be a need for other resurrected gods?

Well of course God wouldn't need to do it twice!

Everybody is copying everybody everywhere all the time about everything. Why not the resurrection?

Originally posted by josephw
Jesus is the only one on that list. And that's my point.

Can't anyone come up with something substantial to counter my point?

There is no historical evidence that Jesus died and was resurrected.

Originally posted by Red Night
There is no historical evidence that Jesus died and was resurrected.

Not worth replying to.
I read some of your recent posts. You need professional help to untangle all that misinformation and convoluted thinking.
I'd do it for nothing.

But you're a good chess player though.

Originally posted by josephw
Not worth replying to.
I read some of your recent posts. You need professional help to untangle all that misinformation and convoluted thinking.
I'd do it for nothing.

But you're a good chess player though.

Show me the reliable historical evidence.

There are vague and not entirely reliable references in Tacitus and Josephus to Jesus' life but not to his resurrection.

Actually, if you have such evidence, you should bring it forward; it would be a major find that would probably land you on the cover of every major news paper in the world.

Originally posted by josephw
Not worth replying to.
I read some of your recent posts. You need professional help to untangle all that misinformation and convoluted thinking.
I'd do it for nothing.

But you're a good chess player though.

Whilst I hate to agree with Red Night, your discarding of his rebuttal is pathetic. There really is no historical evidence that Jesus died and rose again from the dead. There's plenty of weight of belief, sure, but none of that is actually founded on historical evidence, merely on faith. Attacking his posting style and psychology is childish.