@chessataxia saidDo you have a link to some research on this? Anecdotes and assertions will not really suffice. Nor will a link to a youtube clip from Newsmax or Fox.
Now young men are content with being frail and weak and effeminate.
@mchill saidThank you for having a go at enlightening me. I was talking about the "war" rather than the issue of "masculinity". A regime in Washington DC led by a President Carlson or President DeSantis, in the extension and prosecution of the current Culture Wars, will perhaps be banning books, punishing dissent through taxation, firing civil servants after various political litmus tests, purging the military, stopping funding for things, making discrimination more possible or even likely etc. etc. It wouldn't be about "the state of masculinity", it would be about "the state of the culture wars".
Well, let me enlighten you then - I would. Mr Carlson or Mr DeSantis don't get to decide the state of masculinity, no matter what they are running for.
@fmf saidThere is no "war" on masculinity, just as there is no "war" on white people, except in the minds of those white males who might benefit from engendering fear about it in the population at large.
Thank you for having a go at enlightening me. I was talking about the "war" rather than the issue of "masculinity". A regime in Washington DC led by a President Carlson or President DeSantis, in the extension and prosecution of the current Culture Wars, will perhaps be banning books, punishing dissent through taxation, firing civil servants after various political litmus tests, p ...[text shortened]... It wouldn't be about "the state of masculinity", it would be about "the state of the culture wars".
@vivify saidCertainly there was a Hollywood stereotype of masculinity, epitomized by John Wayne, which persists even today, that a real man sorts out his own problems with no help from anyone else, by sheer force. Wayne made no secret of his opinion that Gary Cooper's portrayal in High Noon was that of an effeminate and weak man, showing fear, asking for help in a desperate situation, and being 'rescued' in the shoot-out by the heroine who kills the last villan (after Cooper has dispatched all the rest). It must have rankled that Cooper got an Oscar for that performance.
When was that? Surely not in the 60's when the hippie movement glorified long-haired men talking about "love and peace".
Surely not the 70's when disco birthed the rise of gay subcultures and glam-rock bands like Queen were the most popular artists?
Surely not the 80's when hair metal bands ruled, men wore tight pants and the most popular artist in the world was the h ...[text shortened]... it the 50s when the biggest stars were men who twirled and danced like Gene Kelly and Fred Astaire?
@moonbus saidGod forbid it should serve as an object lesson.
Certainly there was a Hollywood stereotype of masculinity, epitomized by John Wayne, which persists even today, that a real man sorts out his own problems with no help from anyone else, by sheer force. Wayne made no secret of his opinion that Gary Cooper's portrayal in High Noon was that of an effeminate and weak man, showing fear, asking for help in a desperate situation, an ...[text shortened]... er has dispatched all the rest). It must have rankled that Cooper got an Oscar for that performance.
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@moonbus saidI agree. My point is that no generation that anyone on this forum was a part of is manlier or less manly than any other. Every generation had their effeminate stereotypes and every generation had masculine ones.
Certainly there was a Hollywood stereotype of masculinity, epitomized by John Wayne, which persists even today, that a real man sorts out his own problems with no help from anyone else, by sheer force. Wayne made no secret of his opinion that Gary Cooper's portrayal in High Noon was that of an effeminate and weak man, showing fear, asking for help in a desperate situation, an ...[text shortened]... er has dispatched all the rest). It must have rankled that Cooper got an Oscar for that performance.
Tucker Carlson claims men today are less manly at the same exact time that "toxic masculinity" became a term. I simply disagree that people like him have any real basis for their opinion.