Originally posted by runninfiend For my money it's Sugar Ray Robinson. As close to a complete fighter as you'll ever find.
He was glorious.. I love watching his speed style and grace, but lots of lighter weights had speed and style too.
If we take all the boxers at that their peak I'd say Ali and always will be the greatest.. he was simply faster smarter and prettier... as the Champ would say.
Originally posted by Tirau Dan He was glorious.. I love watching his speed style and grace, but lots of lighter weights had speed and style too.
If we take all the boxers at that their peak I'd say Ali and always will be the greatest.. he was simply faster smarter and prettier... as the Champ would say.
no, sugar ray.... he was the greatest, no one could beat that man in his prime
The outcome of Mayweather v De La Hoya will determine which of these is remembered as one of the greatest p4p fighters (although both already are up there).
Originally posted by eatmybishop no, sugar ray.... he was the greatest, no one could beat that man in his prime
LaMotta beat Robinson in 1943 when Sugar Ray was 22. Randy Turpin and Joey Maxim beat him in 1951-1952 before his first retirement.
http://www.fighttoys.com/Robinson%20record.htm
Robinson's certainly one of the all time great fighters but there were plenty of others. I esp. like Gene Tunney who beat the best middleweights, light heavies and heavyweights of his era and who lost only one fight to the great Harry Greb who Tunney bested twice.
Originally posted by Seitse blah blah blah... Julio César Chávez 😵
Anglo-Saxon fighters (and Puerto Ricans as well) are always clowns
in the measure between sport & show.
The best serious boxers are Asian or Mexican/Hispanic,
particularly in the real boxing: light divisions*. Period.
Roberto Durán, Chávez, "Jíbaro" Pérez, Enrique Júpiter,
"Púas" Olivares, "Mantequilla" Náp animals slapping each other
with more strength than class, technique, class and style.
Chavez, Duran PFFT!
Salvador Sanchez was one of my favorite fighters. Damn shame.
Originally posted by Seitse blah blah blah... Julio César Chávez 😵
Anglo-Saxon fighters (and Puerto Ricans as well) are always clowns
in the measure between sport & show.
The best serious boxers are Asian or Mexican/Hispanic,
particularly in the real boxing: light divisions*. Period.
Roberto Durán, Chávez, "Jíbaro" Pérez, Enrique Júpiter,
"Púas" Olivares, "Mantequilla" Náp ...[text shortened]... animals slapping each other
with more strength than class, technique, class and style.
Chavez is right there. I'm still angry about the Meldrick Taylor robbery, however.
What robbery?? He could not articulate a coherent word, his eyes
were lost in neverland, and the fact that there were few seconds left
does not relieve the referee from doing his job.
Surprised the thread has got this far without mentioning Ali. But would have to agree that Marciano as the greatest. Retiring in good condition with 48 wins under his belt. Of course world title bouts were 15 rounds in his day rather than the 12 they fight today.
Originally posted by Seitse What robbery?? He could not articulate a coherent word, his eyes
were lost in neverland, and the fact that there were few seconds left
does not relieve the referee from doing his job.
He got the same benefit that Sugar Ray Leonard had - losing the fight and then finally get off a good fluery and the ref stops the fight. Chavez was the moneymaker and Taylor wasn't. Happens often in boxing and you know that. Taylor would have safe ly made it to close the fight and would have won the decision.
Chavez was great. He just got some chips cashed in for him on that one.
I think Richard Steele made the right call there. Taylor was absolutely out on his feet and didn't respond. I don't how much time is or is not left, it's the referees job to protect the fighter. Taylor incurred massive punishment in that fight and was never the same, even though if he could have responded he would have won the decision widely.
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