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  1. Standard member Ravello
    The Rude©
    13 Dec '07 19:03
    Haha, suckers, you need an italian tranier to achieve something good.................

    .......and thinking that englunders go around the world blathering that english soccer is the best
  2. 13 Dec '07 19:05
    Originally posted by Ravello
    Haha, suckers, you need an italian tranier to achieve something good.................

    .......and thinking that englunders go around the world blathering that english soccer is the best
    Do you think Capello will be good for England?
  3. 13 Dec '07 20:40
    Originally posted by ElleEffSeee
    Do you think Capello will be good for England?
    Can he be any worse than what we've just had?
  4. 13 Dec '07 20:52
    Originally posted by blade68
    Can he be any worse than what we've just had?
    Glen Hoddle was interviewed on Radio 5 a week or so ago, and he was desperate to stress that whoever was put in charge, they should have an understudy who was ENGLISH, someone who would learn on the job, be trained up as a possible future replacement, and most importantly, was ENGLISH. I failed to see just how the interviewer missed pointing out that that was exactly what just took place with Sven and Steve, and I hope Brian Barwick did when asking Hoddle for his opinion.

    Anyway, this idea of having an understudy who you train up to take over is utter nonsense. Has it ever worked apart from for LFC in the 70's/80's? You pick a proven winner to take the job, not someone who has been 'groomed'!
  5. 13 Dec '07 22:03
    Originally posted by ElleEffSeee
    Glen Hoddle was interviewed on Radio 5 a week or so ago, and he was desperate to stress that whoever was put in charge, they should have an understudy who was ENGLISH, someone who would learn on the job, be trained up as a possible future replacement, and most importantly, was ENGLISH. I failed to see just how the interviewer missed pointing out that tha ...[text shortened]... the 70's/80's? You pick a proven winner to take the job, not someone who has been 'groomed'!
    Exactly... like I said... he can't be any worse than what we've had!

    The England Managers job is one of the hardest in the world, not only must he have a proven track record (Greenwood/Robson/Taylor/Hoddle/Keegan/McClaren had won bugger all as Managers before they became England Manager), but he has to deal with the mountain of press coverage competently, without coming over as a complete idiot.

    We should remember that anyone who takes the job is never going to please all of the people all of the time (and in recent years, none of the people any of the time!)

    It needs a strong character... that's why Brian Clough would've been the best man for the job, god bless him...

    I can't see what's wrong with Terry Venables personally, or Big Ron for that matter... I always liked Big Ron, he had character!
  6. Standard member Peakite
    Sais
    13 Dec '07 22:20
    Originally posted by blade68
    Exactly... like I said... he can't be any worse than what we've had!

    The England Managers job is one of the hardest in the world, not only must he have a proven track record (Greenwood/Robson/Taylor/Hoddle/Keegan/McClaren had won bugger all as Managers before they became England Manager), but he has to deal with the mountain of press coverage competently, ...[text shortened]... nables personally, or Big Ron for that matter... I always liked Big Ron, he had character!
    I'm sure Ipswich fans enjoyed winning bugger all under Robson.

    Actually having won things these days is pretty much irrelevant. We've got a limited number of clubs who actually have the financial resources to consistently win things, and it's rare those jobs come up. Land one of those and then the national job is a backward step.
  7. 13 Dec '07 22:29
    Originally posted by Peakite
    We've got a limited number of clubs who actually have the financial resources to consistently win things, and it's rare those jobs come up. Land one of those and then the national job is a backward step.
    Also the chances of an English man being in charge of one of the top clubs is getting to be virtually zero: with such huge amounts of money at stake, why risk hiring a man who did well at portsmouth (for example), but didn't actually win anything (due to the hegemony enjoyed by the top four)? Best for the top four to hire a foreigner who actually won titles in Spain or Italy.
  8. Standard member Ravello
    The Rude©
    13 Dec '07 22:41
    Originally posted by blade68
    Can he be any worse than what we've just had?
    That's the exact answer.
  9. 13 Dec '07 22:54
    Originally posted by ElleEffSeee
    Also the chances of an English man being in charge of one of the top clubs is getting to be virtually zero: with such huge amounts of money at stake, why risk hiring a man who did well at portsmouth (for example), but didn't actually win anything (due to the hegemony enjoyed by the top four)? Best for the top four to hire a foreigner who actually won titles in Spain or Italy.
    Which means the answer for an ambitious young English manager is to get a job on the continent. Some success there would put them in a great position.
  10. Standard member Ragnorak
    For RHP addons...
    13 Dec '07 22:57
    Originally posted by blade68
    but he has to deal with the mountain of press coverage competently, without coming over as a complete idiot.
    Steve Staunton should be hired as a consultant, specialising in International Manager Interview Techniques.

    Steve Staunton Interview After Ireland Loosing To Chile.Reporter"Do you think the end of the season tiredness played a part in the defeat?" Staunton"I don't know you tell me"

    D
  11. 13 Dec '07 23:02
    Originally posted by mtthw
    Which means the answer for an ambitious young English manager is to get a job on the continent. Some success there would put them in a great position.
    I agree, and the same goes for young English players.
  12. Standard member Ravello
    The Rude©
    14 Dec '07 03:06
    I have to say that Don Fabio is not on top of my simpathy list, however you guys should be happy because wherever Capello has gone he won, this is a true and solid fact.
  13. 14 Dec '07 13:21 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Ravello
    Haha, suckers, you need an italian tranier to achieve something good.................

    .......and thinking that englunders go around the world blathering that english soccer is the best
    i think the problem is the england players and the english supporters... both care far more about their local team than national one... to most, the champions league is far more important than the world cup

    i think you miss the point, when the english talk about the best of football they mean the premiership, not the national team... if you're talking pure excitement, i think the epl is the best league in the world
  14. 14 Dec '07 13:37
    Originally posted by Peakite
    [b]I'm sure Ipswich fans enjoyed winning bugger all under Robson.
    One FA Cup win could hardly be described as success!!!
  15. 14 Dec '07 13:38
    Originally posted by eatmybishop
    i think the problem is the england players and the english supporters... both care far more about their local team than national one... to most, the champions league is far more important than the world cup

    i think you miss the point, when the english talk about the best of football they mean the premiership, not the national team... if you're talking pure excitement, i think the epl is the best league in the world
    I disagree bish...

    Are you telling me that you're not bothered how England get on in the World Cup?