Hey Whodey....wrong again!!!!

Originally posted by rwingett
That's within the range that one would expect to see. The Yankees' 27 WS championships are so far off the expected range as to require some explanation other than random chance within a system of even competition. The preponderance of Yankee championships indicates strongly that the system is somehow biased in favor of New York. Although there may be a host of contributing factors, the prime one surely is money.

The Yankees are the exception by and large.
They are the most storied franchise in baseball history.
They have always been tied to money, popularity, and honor.
Hell, Yogi Berra has 11 World Series rings...10 with the Yankees.
That is absolutely unheard of. He just happened along at the right time.
But the mistique of the Yankees was there before Steinbrenner bought them from CBS.
Then he just upped the ante on the rest of the league and used that to his advanatge.
But, with all of that, they had many years where they did not achieve the pinnacle,
when they should have on paper.

THAT is why the go ahead and play the games.

Originally posted by rwingett
That's within the range that one would expect to see. The Yankees' 27 WS championships are so far off the expected range as to require some explanation other than random chance within a system of even competition. The preponderance of Yankee championships indicates strongly that the system is somehow biased in favor of New York. Although there may be a host of contributing factors, the prime one surely is money.

I hope after this playoff series you are crying again about the Yankee but that's really just because we root for different teams.

Objectively speaking, it is ridiculous for Tiger fans to complain about the Yankees, as the Tigers have the best pitcher and hitter (who you got from another organization) in the series. You also have a closer who blew zero saves (from another organization) and many other players such as Victor Martinez who you spent money to get. Its professional ball build your team the way you want and if you can't or won't spend you probably belong in a different league.

Originally posted by quackquack
I hope after this playoff series you are crying again about the Yankee but that's really just because we root for different teams.

Objectively speaking, it is ridiculous for Tiger fans to complain about the Yankees, as the Tigers have the best pitcher and hitter (who you got from another organization) in the series. You also have a closer who blew ...[text shortened]... m the way you want and if you can't or won't spend you probably belong in a different league.

How you managed to survive beyond infancy is a mystery.

Originally posted by rwingett
How you managed to survive beyond infancy is a mystery.

From someone who is still in the crying stage that seems hypocrytical.

The Tigers are an excellent team (you even told me you think they are a team of destany). There is no reason to complain about how your opponent acquired their players.

Originally posted by quackquack
From someone who is still in the crying stage that seems hypocrytical.

The Tigers are an excellent team (you even told me you think they are a team of destany). There is no reason to complain about how your opponent acquired their players.

Unless they have substantially more money than other teams. I'm sure even a Yankee fan could see how that would make for unequal competition.

Originally posted by quackquack
From someone who is still in the crying stage that seems hypocrytical.

The Tigers are an excellent team (you even told me you think they are a team of destany). There is no reason to complain about how your opponent acquired their players.

http://www.stevetheump.com/Payrolls.htm#2010payroll

Here's a link of team payrolls since 1998. Of the 13 World Series played from then to last year, only one has been won by a team in the bottom half of the salary rankings (Florida, 2003). The other 12 were won by teams in the upper half of the salary rankings. Six of those World Series were won by teams with either the first or second highest payroll. Seems to be a pretty heavy correlation between team salary and your chance of winning the World Series.

Originally posted by quackquack
From someone who is still in the crying stage that seems hypocrytical.

The Tigers are an excellent team (you even told me you think they are a team of destany). There is no reason to complain about how your opponent acquired their players.

Here are a few more statistics for you:

From 2005 to 2010, there have been 48 teams to make it to the postseason (8 teams each year x 6 years). Of those 48 teams, 35 have been in the top 15 payrolls, while only 13 have been in the bottom 15 payrolls. Almost a 3 to 1 margin in favor of larger payroll teams making the postseason.

Originally posted by rwingett
Here are a few more statistics for you:

From 2005 to 2010, there have been 48 teams to make it to the postseason (8 teams each year x 6 years). Of those 48 teams, 35 have been in the top 15 payrolls, while only 13 have been in the bottom 15 payrolls. Almost a 3 to 1 margin in favor of larger payroll teams making the postseason.

So teams that spend more usually have a better product. Shocking isn't it?

If the Yankees are fortunate enough to win, the fact that they spend money really will take away nothing from my enjoyment. I know they are playing a really good team who is playing well.

Originally posted by quackquack
So teams that spend more usually have a better product. Shocking isn't it?

If the Yankees are fortunate enough to win, the fact that they spend money really will take away nothing from my enjoyment. I know they are playing a really good team who is playing well.

Are you really that stupid? The point here is that the Yankees have more money to spend. A lot more. Teams like the Royals can't hope to compete on a even keel with deep pockets like that. The system is imbalanced in favor of big money teams. Can you grasp that simple point?

Originally posted by rwingett
Are you really that stupid? The point here is that the Yankees have more money to spend. A lot more. Teams like the Royals can't hope to compete on a even keel with deep pockets like that. The system is imbalanced in favor of big money teams. Can you grasp that simple point?

In professional sports you are supposed to invest in your team. To complain that teams actually do that and then do well is moronic. Either pay and play or cry and say good bye.

As for the team you actually mentioned; the Royals have a top farm system; they are in the Central where there are no New York or Boston or Philly or LA team to compete against to win a division. They have a great chance to be competitive very soon. And unlike Tampa which is consistently in the playoffs. They don't have to compete against top spenders.

Originally posted by quackquack
In professional sports you are supposed to invest in your team. To complain that teams actually do that and then do well is moronic. Either pay and play or cry and say good bye.

As for the team you actually mentioned; the Royals have a top farm system; they are in the Central where there are no New York or Boston or Philly or LA team to compete agai ...[text shortened]... Tampa which is consistently in the playoffs. They don't have to compete against top spenders.

Most other sports have a salary cap... der da der.

Originally posted by quackquack
In professional sports you are supposed to invest in your team. To complain that teams actually do that and then do well is moronic. Either pay and play or cry and say good bye.

As for the team you actually mentioned; the Royals have a top farm system; they are in the Central where there are no New York or Boston or Philly or LA team to compete agai ...[text shortened]... Tampa which is consistently in the playoffs. They don't have to compete against top spenders.

You can't invest money you don't have, moron. They Yankees had revenues of $427 million for 2010. The Royals had revenues of $160 million.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2011/33/baseball-valuations-11_land.html

It would take an extraordinary set of circumstances for the Royals to win a World Series. For the Yankees, with their huge revenue, it's like falling out of bed. For all practical purposes, since the Royals can seldom afford to resign their free agents, they are essentially nothing more than a glorified AAA team for the Yankees. They develop the talent and the Yankees buy up the ones that turn out.

You cannot have equal competition when the resources of one team so vastly dwarfs the other. What you have is a huge systemic imbalance that favors the recurring success of one team over the many others.

Originally posted by rwingett
You can't invest money you don't have, moron. They Yankees had revenues of $427 million for 2010. The Royals had revenues of $160 million.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2011/33/baseball-valuations-11_land.html

It would take an extraordinary set of circumstances for the Royals to win a World Series. For the Yankees, with their huge revenue, it's like fa ...[text shortened]... a huge systemic imbalance that favors the recurring success of one team over the many others.

You are the moron. The Yankees have great revenue because they built infrastructure first. They built the YES network; they built (and paid for themselves) a new stadium and they invested in free agents and people like the team. The problem with MLB is not the teams like the Yankees who invest in product it is teams that simply take their revenue sharing and pocket it adding nothing to the sport.

If you can't compete then you don't belong in MLB. Right now we have a wide open playoffs where just about every team in the playoffs has a chance to win. We have teams with low payrolls like Tampa and Arizona with great teams. We have teams with high payrolls like the Boston and the Mets that are not in the playoffs. It make a lot more sense to watch the games then to complain about economics.

Originally posted by tomtom232
Most other sports have a salary cap... der da der.

And there is more parity in baseball then other sports. The Clippers stink every year while the Spurs make the playoffs every year. The Patriots are great every years and the Bengals stink. In the NBA and NFL teams play way over .600 ball and way under .400 every year. In the MLB it is rare that teams reach those levels. Phil Jackson went for his fourth three peat this year, but you complain about parity in baseball. In baseball many great teams win championships once.

Originally posted by quackquack
You are the moron. The Yankees have great revenue because they built infrastructure first. They built the YES network; they built (and paid for themselves) a new stadium and they invested in free agents and people like the team. The problem with MLB is not the teams like the Yankees who invest in product it is teams that simply take their revenue sha ...[text shortened]... the playoffs. It make a lot more sense to watch the games then to complain about economics.

I think you have the cause and effect backward. The Yankees don't have a huge revenue because of their great infrastructure. They have a great infrastructure because of their huge revenue. They've always had the most cash to build up that Evil Empire. No matter what they do, the Royals will NEVER be able to generate the revenue that the Yankees do. They will NEVER be able to outspend the Yankees.

It's true that anything can happen in any given year. There's no guarantee that big payroll teams will make it to the postseason. There's always a slim chance that small payroll teams will manage to win the Series. But over the long haul, large revenue, large payroll teams will win far more often than not. The statistics you continue to ignore show this conclusively. The way revenues are generated and allocated in baseball makes for systemically imbalanced playing field where equal competition is an impossibility.