Originally posted by Crowley
Wales, etc. are geographic locations that include people from more than one race.
Must you just home in on one phrase I accidentally use in the wrong context?
SARU officially has no quotas, only transformation targets.
It's difficult to answer straight as it's a curved situation. I'm trying to make it clear for you but I'm likely to get points of NZ history wrong and stand to be firmly corrected so I apologise in advance..
Maori settled NZ 1300-1400ad. The land was known as Aotearoa (The Land of The Long White Cloud). When Europeans settled later a treaty was signed which guaranteed Maoris sovereignty over their lands in return for rights as British citizens too.
Maori did not have any concept of property ownership at all. they caused problems and fell fould of a fair bit of abuse as a result.
It was only when they wee harshly treated and sacred tribal places were abused that they fought the early settlers.
Their were two versions one in Maori and One in English. In the last 30 or so years NZ has acknowledge the wrong done to Maori by incorrectly using the poorly translated English version. A special court was created to settle grievances under the treaty.
The biggest misinterpretation related to the meaning of "Tino Rangatiratanga" which in Maori is chieftain ship over all things Maori.
Maori in Law are co-owners of NZ so have NZ's boundaries.. it's their land. Many in this land and oversea don't understand the concept of the partnership but if you ask any Maori they'll explain it better than I but understand one thing.. Maori consider NZ home and they share it with the rest of us.
By saying Maori own NZ I'm taking the extreme side of the argument. I know that legally they don't but in my view the very very least we can do to acknowledge the partnership we currently hold with Maori is to allow them Nationhood for the purpose of sport.
As far as I know it's a unique case which must be settled in NZ.
I understand what you say about Wales the country but you are deliberately ignoring what I've said about sovereignty of Wales and the fact that you have to of the Welsh race to play for Wales. They are a British rules puppet country Maori have a much bigger role in the govt of this country.
Most of us love having Maori guide us on "The Maori Way" and in things Maori. They'll never get full sovereignty and as such may well continue to be excluded from sporting contests (which has been the case for years).
The race issue to me only exists to suppress people who have had lands taken away from them by modern settlers. If you want to apply a rule of one team per government fine but now you say a a country is an area of land.. but what about Govt?
This hasn't applied to Wales Scotland and Nth Ireland they are part of Britain .. why isn't Britain told to have one sports team?
I wish I knew my race the way Maori know their Whakapapa. My Nationality is NZ, my race is European I'm envious of ppl that can trace there heritage to pagan roots etc.. Brilliant. I can get back to the 1700s but would love to go back 500 years or more like most Maori.
When you deny a people the mere right to play as a national team I would hope you'd at least do the right thing by delving into the history and deeper feelings of the matter.
I can't honestly explain this better. It's okay to disagree but to do so please understand the Maori perspective first if you don't then dig into wiki etc .. enjoy.