Originally posted by boarmanWell done to the Wallabies.. shambollic in the first half..got a big rev up at half time and off they went. The Captain was a real inspirational role model and as I said that young fella is your new game breaker.. he smashed through McCaw and Jack to get his very well taken try! I'm only glad he did it to them now.. they'll watch the video over and over with heads very low. :-(
Yes ,mighty effort from the Wallabies , kept the All Blacks scoreless in the 2nd half .
It was once again that true blue relentless never say die grit that pulled this Aussie side through.. they looked to be improving with every attacking movement in the second half. Watch out because they will be an impressive side in a few games.
Aaron Mauger has to go.. under no pressure at all he missed three tackles, dropped 4 easy passes, missed touch twice and made two crucial knock ons when we were on attack.. a real shocker even by his standards. It seems that only back coach Wayne Smith is keeping him in the team with his Canterbury loyalty scheme.
Perhaps you can see now why I don't rate this All Black side. The power pace and fitness is there but the talent and cohesion is shocking and the basics are just not there.. my rating for the abs game: passing 4/10 tackling 4/10 distribution 3/10 retention 2/10.
Pat on the back for the ref.
Originally posted by Tirau DanReally? I thought he handled the scrums badly - although I understand he tried to stamp his authority in that area.
Pat on the back for the ref.
The scrums are worse now with these new engagement rules than they were before...
The Wallabies showed that if you force the All Blacks to play 15 man rugby they are out of their depth. At one stage in the first half the kiwis almost got the momentum when they started throwing the ball around, playing their sevens style, but the wallabies started playing tighter, pulling the fringe defenders in, keeping the ball in hand for a few phases.
Patience is the name of the game against the ABs. Just don't give them the ball to run at you - without the ball, no team can win a game of rugby.
Originally posted by CrowleyI can't see the new touchie feelie engage thing staying long lol. I thought he did his best and didn't get whistle happy.
Really? I thought he handled the scrums badly - although I understand he tried to stamp his authority in that area.
The scrums are worse now with these new engagement rules than they were before...
The Wallabies showed that if you force the All Blacks to play 15 man rugby they are out of their depth. At one stage in the first half the kiwis almost got ...[text shortened]... ust don't give them the ball to run at you - without the ball, no team can win a game of rugby.
The aus scrum was not great but you sai it Smith etc are very good.
The boks have the best scrum and will be a fitter unit at the cup.. Guarantee they are out running some miles at the moment...
Flavell and Jack won't be the #1 lock combination neither are strong enough. Rodney Soialo should be out in favour of Chris Masoe
On the run the Abs didn't have a centre... McAllister was shown up lacking and Muliana was desperately trying to plug the gaps.
Worse they aren't making gaps, have no set moves or combinations and aren't running onto the ball at speed.
Two games to the cup and the abs are still not sorted out.. Will Henry play things to his chest until the cup.. I reckon he's running out of ideas.
Originally posted by CrowleyTotally agree about the ref at the scrums ,his call of the touch wasnt consistent ,you cant delay the initial hit for too long as the mistiming by both teams happens as we see ,it is a pretty good rule when its done properly,as i am playing under it.
Really? I thought he handled the scrums badly - although I understand he tried to stamp his authority in that area.
The scrums are worse now with these new engagement rules than they were before...
The Wallabies showed that if you force the All Blacks to play 15 man rugby they are out of their depth. At one stage in the first half the kiwis almost got ...[text shortened]... ust don't give them the ball to run at you - without the ball, no team can win a game of rugby.
On the weekends test though each team was looking for that initial ascendancy at the scrum and both teams got pinned for early engagement .
Also in some set pieces the All Black forwards were up to their old tricks and breaking early and got away with it again,the law states that the ball must be out of a ruck before the defending team can move,as you saw Gregan was cleaned up a few times whilst the ball was still in the ruck.
But it was still a good game with not many stoppages,The Australian forwards are a bit smarter these days also by the amount of phases they kept the ball for at the end of the game,in the past they would of went too wide from the ruck or one out stuff.
Once the Australians found there defensive patterns the All Blacks had nothing ,the same with the Boks when Australia met them.
Originally posted by boarmanNo, his calls were consistent, but maybe just too slow. Most refs call it quicker nowadays with a short pause between 'touch' and 'pause'.
his call of the touch wasnt consistent ,you cant delay the initial hit for too long as the mistiming by both teams happens as we see
I don't understand why both scrums can't just wait for the 'engage' order form the ref?
He should've spoken more to the front rows and the captains to sort it out earlier instead of going to penalties.
Originally posted by CrowleyWatch the game again and you will see his calls on crouch,touch pause and engage.
No, his calls were consistent, but maybe just too slow. Most refs call it quicker nowadays with a short pause between 'touch' and 'pause'.
I don't understand why both scrums can't just wait for the 'engage' order form the ref?
He should've spoken more to the front rows and the captains to sort it out earlier instead of going to penalties.
You can see both sides waiting for the call
Remember there is a lot of weight in those scrums and once it starts going forward you cant stop momentum.
They are not waiting for the engage call cause either team wants that acendancy.
The ref would of spoken to the front row as well as captains before the kick off and then reiterated what he wanted at the first scrum.
Originally posted by CrowleyOn the news tonight it was reported that the SA Coach said the ref had allowed the Australian Front row to cheat which robbed the ABs.
No, his calls were consistent, but maybe just too slow. Most refs call it quicker nowadays with a short pause between 'touch' and 'pause'.
I don't understand why both scrums can't just wait for the 'engage' order form the ref?
He should've spoken more to the front rows and the captains to sort it out earlier instead of going to penalties.
I didn't see cheating and and certainly never had a problem with the ref or the Aussies. Normal niggles but cheating? I'm mystified.
On a better note Warren Gatland the defending NPC champion Waikato Coach is staying put for another two years having declined a "ridiculous amount" of money from overseas clubs. Good on ya Kiwi...
I hope Gats will be the next All Black coach and hope there won't be any Cantabs on his staff. We'd see some incentive, stability and pattern returned to the national game.
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HAHA, now the Aussies want SANZAR to ban SA from future SANZAR events.
I'm not exactly sure, but looking through the squad, I see only 4 players who are uncapped springboks.
16 players in this 'B' side springbok squad were involved involved in the Super14 final. How many of the current wallabies were? Hell, there wasn't even an aussie side in the semi finals...
So, on current form, this side is theoretically still better than both the current wallaby and all black sides.
What's the big deal?
Originally posted by CrowleyThat's a great point.. so why on Earth didn't Jake just say so instead of fronting with 20 sick notes and making an international idiot of him and the team?
HAHA, now the Aussies want SANZAR to ban SA from future SANZAR events.
I'm not exactly sure, but looking through the squad, I see only 4 players who are uncapped springboks.
16 players in this 'B' side springbok squad were involved involved in the Super14 final. How many of the current wallabies were? Hell, there wasn't even an aussie side in the semi ...[text shortened]... y still better than both the current wallaby and all black sides.
What's the big deal?
Put in raw talent on the up and look out.. How many 1st class games for Michael Jones, Jonah Lomu or John Kirwan before their test debuts? not many between them..
Originally posted by CrowleyWouldn't matter who they send out ,they will get their butts kicked by both the Wallabies and All Blacks .
HAHA, now the Aussies want SANZAR to ban SA from future SANZAR events.
I'm not exactly sure, but looking through the squad, I see only 4 players who are uncapped springboks.
16 players in this 'B' side springbok squad were involved involved in the Super14 final. How many of the current wallabies were? Hell, there wasn't even an aussie side in the semi ...[text shortened]... y still better than both the current wallaby and all black sides.
What's the big deal?
Luck was on the South African teams that made the super 14 final as they did not suffer lots of injuries ,wheras the Australian teams did,and the New Zealand teams didnt field there test players and they still made the semi's.
Originally posted by boarmanMaybe this bok side will lose - we'll see. Nobody really gave the current wallaby side a chance against the all blacks, but they pulled it through. This current bok squad isn't just full of space fillers.
Wouldn't matter who they send out ,they will get their butts kicked by both the Wallabies and All Blacks .
Luck was on the South African teams that made the super 14 final as they did not suffer lots of injuries ,wheras the Australian teams did,and the New Zealand teams didnt field there test players and they still made the semi's.
Luck!? Please... The rugby ball is not round, so luck always plays a part in rugby. Please don't throw phrases like 'the SA teams were lucky' around too easily, my friend. The SA sides won enough games, got to the knock-out phases, knocked out 2 very good, full strength NZ teams (which included many of those 'rested' players!) and went on to the S14 finals.
End of story.
So you're happy with the double standard too?
The kiwis can rest players, but when the boks do, everybody is up in arms.
Originally posted by CrowleyI said they were lucky with injuries ,not lucky in their games .
Maybe this bok side will lose - we'll see. Nobody really gave the current wallaby side a chance against the all blacks, but they pulled it through. This current bok squad isn't just full of space fillers.
Luck!? Please... The rugby ball is not round, so luck always plays a part in rugby. Please don't throw phrases like 'the SA teams were lucky' around too ...[text shortened]... tandard too?
The kiwis can rest players, but when the boks do, everybody is up in arms.
Yes defeated 2 very good NZ sides that did have those rested players ,meaning they were not match fit which plays a big part in rugby ,
As you have said many times you did not play much rugby ,so its probably something you really can't comment on unless you have been there done that.
Something which Tirau and myself know quite a lot about.
Im not being double standard either ,countries should put their best out for each game ,provinces should put their best teams out,clubs should put their best teams out ,unless injuries have prevailed.
Originally posted by boarmanI never played professional or semi-professional rugby, but I played in school and stopped playing after a few years in varsity.
I said they were lucky with injuries ,not lucky in their games .
Yes defeated 2 very good NZ sides that did have those rested players ,meaning they were not match fit which plays a big part in rugby ,
As you have said many times you did not play much rugby ,so its probably something you really can't comment on unless you have been there done that.
Som ...[text shortened]... put their best teams out,clubs should put their best teams out ,unless injuries have prevailed.
I don't know what that has to do with anything when commenting on professional rugby...?
If you take this kind of attitude, then your comments about international rugby mean as little as mine, because you haven't pulled a wallaby jersey over your head.