Terreblanche killed: World Cup perspectives?

Originally posted by Seitse
I think we're placed in two different frequencies on this issue.
Pride as an emotion involves the development of a sense
of self. Perhaps you are confusing pride with joy?

I am [b]joyful of being Mexican, if that responds your question,
because it has given the chance of seeing and understanding
many things which perhaps I would not have been face ...[text shortened]... oud" of your skin
color? Are you "proud" to be a male?

Dangerous stuff, I tell you.[/b]

I don't disagree with you, and maybe I didn't use 'proud' in its true context?
I used a phrase 'proud to be English' - which if you dissect it is gramatically incorrect as 'proud' does pertaine to something an individual has achieved - so you'd be correct.
However, like I said, it's a phrase...and I'm sure if you look at a lot of other phrases they too would be gramatically incorrect!

Will you stop beating me over the head about it now please?
😉

Originally posted by blade68
I don't disagree with you, and maybe I didn't use 'proud' in its true context?
I used a phrase 'proud to be English' - which if you dissect it is gramatically incorrect as 'proud' does pertaine to something an individual has achieved - so you'd be correct.
However, like I said, it's a phrase...and I'm sure if you look at a lot of other phrases they too wou ...[text shortened]... tically incorrect!

Will you stop beating me over the head about it now please?
😉

Let's say that you're joyful to be English.

That, my friend, is a noble and kind feeling.
If only now Chelsea would win the EPL and
make your joy even greater 🙂

Originally posted by Seitse
Let's say that you're joyful to be English.

That, my friend, is a noble and kind feeling.
If only now Chelsea would win the EPL and
make your joy even greater 🙂

I'm not a Chelsea fan Seitse.... not sure where you were going with that comment!

Originally posted by blade68
I'm not a Chelsea fan Seitse.... not sure where you were going with that comment!

Just teasing.

I know you're a decent chap and, henceforth, a Gooner like me.

Originally posted by Seitse
Just teasing.

I know you're a decent chap and, henceforth, a Gooner like me.

I'm going to stop talking to you now...

Originally posted by blade68
Yes, the FACTS are that you were born, work, and live in SA...everything else you've mentioned is your opinion.

...and then when you run out of anything constructive to say you resort to name calling.
I could respond with a quippy, undermining comment, but you know what - I'm not 12 years old anymore.

LOL, did you take debate lessons from Very Rusty?

At least 12 year olds know when they're wrong and can admit it.

Originally posted by Seitse
Proud? I love them, which is different. I am also grateful for
their effort in raising this little headache.

Why would I be proud of something I didn't choose or fought
for?

Because there is a commonness that you share with your parents or even countrymen. If someone tries to rob your grandmother and she manages to defend herself despite of her age, you wouldn't feel proud? BS. Or wouldn't you feel a sense of pride if Mexico won the World Cup?

You're like the people who look at emotions and discover they are not always the product of rational thinking. Whoop-de-doo.

Originally posted by Palynka
Because there is a commonness that you share with your parents or even countrymen. If someone tries to rob your grandmother and she manages to defend herself despite of her age, you wouldn't feel proud? BS. Or wouldn't you feel a sense of pride if Mexico won the World Cup?

You're like the people who look at emotions and discover they are not always the product of rational thinking. Whoop-de-doo.

I can tell you the same I said blade: I'd joyful, not proud.

In your example, I would be proud of my granny's courage,
of course. But feeling "proud" of her just for the coincidence that
she happened to spawn a human who later on spawned me...
come on.

As for the other example, if Mexico wins the WC (which is unlikely)
I would feel tremendous joy and I would spam your threads for the
next 4 years bragging about the triumph over Portugal 😛 But, pride?
Yeah, well, I would be proud of the 22 guys who finally managed to
put aside the eternal defeatism of national football. But that's different
than being proud of myself for just "being" something.

Originally posted by Seitse
I can tell you the same I said blade: I'd joyful, not proud.

In your example, I would be proud of my granny's [b]courage,
of course. But feeling "proud" of her just for the coincidence that
she happened to spawn a human who later on spawned me...
come on.

As for the other example, if Mexico wins the WC (which is unlikely)
I would feel tremendou ...[text shortened]... al football. But that's different
than being proud of myself for just "being" something.[/b]

Is it different? I don't buy it, sorry. You've been brainwashed by your Catholic education into thinking that pride is necessarily bad. 😛

Originally posted by Palynka
Is it different? I don't buy it, sorry. You've been brainwashed by your Catholic education into thinking that pride is necessarily bad. 😛

I'm not Catholic, dude 😠

Originally posted by Seitse
I'm not Catholic, dude 😠

That's not the point.

Originally posted by Palynka
That's not the point.

Has anything good ever been born of pride?

Originally posted by Palynka
That's not the point.

What's the point, then?

That misunderstood, exogenous pride has been the cause
of more sorrow than joy throughout human history?

Originally posted by hopscotch
Has anything good ever been born of pride?

What does that even mean? There were a lot of proud men who did "good" as well as proud men who did "evil/bad" things.