Originally posted by no1marauderi think black beetle's point is not that it's suicide but that it would be extremely unlikely to help either player.
That's impossible; the strategy of the top two players taking quick draws against each other (as they did in group 59) is suicide according to experts like black beetle.
in fact, although it would be very unlikely to make any difference, it could only hinder them, since the 2 points they each get from the draws is fewer than the 3 points they each get if one game goes each way, and much fewer than the 6 points one of them might get if they won both.
so if you're the #3 player in the group, it's better for you if the top two draw both games than any other result. but you're still screwed if they win all their other games as you still have to win a game against each of them AND not screw up any of your others. not mentioning any particular penguins.
in this case, of course, it didn't help thetower20, and didn't hinder any of the other players in the group, none of whom could have caught up with Phillidor.
Originally posted by murrowI'm not going to argue this point any further; any experienced player knows that the time and effort saved by not having to play against your most formidable competition far outweighs the "point" esp. when two games between high rated players is quite likely to result in two draws anyway. Do you think they are doing it because it helps the #3 player? No, they are doing it as a "tournament strategy" to help them advance. So far in every single case where we have seen this "strategy", it has succeeded.
i think black beetle's point is not that it's suicide but that it would be extremely unlikely to help either player.
in fact, although it would be very unlikely to make any difference, it could only hinder them, since the 2 points they each get from the draws is fewer than the 3 points they each get if one game goes each way, and much fewer than the 6 poi ...[text shortened]... any of the other players in the group, none of whom could have caught up with Phillidor.
Originally posted by no1marauderThey do it because this way they earn time, and this is the positive aspect; however the negative aspect is the one I mentioned at my previous post, and in this specific case the third player has definately the advantage at the RHP tournaments.
I'm not going to argue this point any further; any experienced player knows that the time and effort saved by not having to play against your most formidable competition far outweighs the "point" esp. when two games between high rated players is quite likely to result in two draws anyway. Do you think they are doing it because it helps the #3 player? No, ...[text shortened]... dvance. So far in every single case where we have seen this "strategy", it has succeeded.
So, round by round, as the players involved are stronger and stronger, it seems to me that this strategy is more negative than positive -and you have nothing to argue about this point of mine I reckon.
Of cource, in case you have an argument, kindly please consider that I have already lend you my ears in order not to miss the chance to be educated😵
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Originally posted by black beetleI've refuted your nonsensical claim several times already. And the results at RHP also show you are wrong. But nothing seems to stop some people from making ridiculous claims least of all the facts.
They do it because this way they earn time, and this is the positive aspect; however the negative aspect is the one I mentioned at my previous post, and in this specific case the third player has definately the advantage at the RHP tournaments.
So, round by round, as the players involved are stronger and stronger, it seems to me that this strategy is ...[text shortened]... e consider that I have already lend you my ears in order not to miss the chance to be educated😵
Originally posted by no1marauderInteresting!
I've refuted your nonsensical claim several times already. And the results at RHP also show you are wrong. But nothing seems to stop some people from making ridiculous claims least of all the facts.
At first you have the delusion that RHP is USCF;
then you have the delusion that OTB is CC;
then you have the delucion that you have the right to blaim whoever you want just because his way is different than yours;
then you have the delucion that you have the right to attack people whenever you feel that they are "unethical";
then you have not the backbone to admit that your intentions are good however your behaviour is wrong, for the players you called "unethical" they did nothing against the rules of this site;
then you claim that you are the one who knows "what chess is about", ignoring the nature of this site;
I explained you in detail the reason why your string of thoughts is false, but you pretend that my claim is nonsencical. And, when I ask you "...if a 2150 and a 2165 agree to draw and the third stronger player of the group is 2130, and every other player of their group is lower than 2050, what do you think? Does the 2130 has an advantage, or not?", you prefer to enjoy the view with your head in the sand instead of offering a straight answer.
Your world is full of black and white! This is fine with me😵
Originally posted by Swiss ToniWhat a big blunder of white!
Game 5842459
Is this the biggest upset in the tournament so far?
And that with more than 2k
Great thing
Originally posted by Swiss ToniI would think so.
Game 5842459
Is this the biggest upset in the tournament so far?
Wonder how long black took to make the killer move or if he had it in as a conditional move - just in case.
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Originally posted by efilmarOk, thats a big shocker, very nice, how one can loose his queen.
Game 5835803
i think this qualifies as the biggest shocker so far
But in Game 5842459 the difference
in points is even more.
So the "David" is more David than in your posted game
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As the 'author' of that upset, I can tell you that I nearly fell off my chair when I opened up that game the other morning. I'd been strugglng with that game for some time, but had finally managed to get back level. Now it was a question of whether I had enough left to squeeze out a win.
I'd spent some time the day before pondering how to reposition my B to retain co-ordination with my Q+R. So I was quite satisfied to find Bc2 and the plan thereafter (Qe4 etc). Imagine my horror when I woke to find I'd placed my B on the only square - the *only* square on the entire board - that immediately traps my Q.
How could it happen? Drunk? Tired? Neither of those. The truth is more absurd still. I'd set up the position on a pocket set and had been vaguely studyng it over dinner. Alas, I placed a pawn on a2, not a3 as in the game. If on a2, the Q has an escape square (a3). But if on a3, then Bc2 'help mates' the Q. Oh woe! Oh laughter 😲
And my name is in fact David. Perhaps it should be Goliath 🙄
Originally posted by afxThat's my group. And that shocker is reason I will pass to the second round ! I didn't lose so far 😏
Ok, thats a big shocker, very nice, how one can loose his queen.
But in Game 5842459 the difference
in points is even more.
So the "David" is more David than in your posted game