@bigdogg said
Completely agree.

To add one more thing, we should learn to be OK with not having an explanation for something, if in fact we don't. Just be honest and admit it.

Religion has the bad habit of feeling the need to explain everything and have all the answers. Scientific inquiry has shown us that we do much better uncovering actual truths when we proceed patiently and rigorously towards an explanation that matches experiment and evidence.

Please you can recognize design and still reject it!

@sonhouse said
@KellyJay
How long were you there? Attending Shulem or some such? What town did you live in? I think you know about our time there. Our favorite cafe was a hidden little place with live music and the best non kosher steaks!. A white sauce that would have gotten praises from Gordon Ramsey🙂 That was in Jerusalem off the main drags of town on a side street, about a block fro ...[text shortened]... rators going for the kiosks there🙂
Speaking of Shabbat, did you encounter the 'shabbat' elevators?

I got sent there twice 2008 and 2010 each time for 2 weeks by my job for a software review that was going to affect my department.
Haifa
I loved it!

@kellyjay said
https://youtu.be/noj4phMT9OE

Mathematical Challenges to Darwin’s Theory of Evolution
Interview an Athiest, Agnostic, and Christian discuss challenges to evolution.

Highly improbable is a grandiose understatement when it comes to both the universe and life, when you see the number of things that "ALL" had to fall into place simultaneously at the origin of the universe, then just as improbable maintain that delicate balance from the on set. Making each instant where it is maintained a miracle of balance and precision, knowing what we know about entropy, why would that ever be the case when so many different forces in the universe are so delicately balanced and that each one affects the whole?

Denying conclusions that give answers or accepting them are no different from one another, the only thing that makes one better is if what is accepted is truth. What is reasonable can only be achieved if reasons are the cause of either accepting something as true or not, because you don't like the ramifications of something being true is not an evidential choice, it is a physiological one.

@pettytalk said
You are all wet behind the ears! I'm throwing in the towel and a song, for friendship's sake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g1dcIDDULQ

Bottom line Satan was a created being, his beginning God made Him. Quite different than the only begotten of God, and those adopted into the family of God.

@pettytalk said
Therefore you disagree with Mr. Maxwell, as I do. The Devil does have a Father, and perhaps the correct interpretation of the Greek for John 8:44 is indeed that the Father is also a liar. But since Jesus also said that God is Good, He's a Good liar. And a good liar is one who makes others believe the lies, otherwise he would not be a good liar.

Could be that a few Jews g ...[text shortened]... l have a need to know. To know good and evil; to know the truth about them, which will set you free.

You can know this that the scriptures teach Adam and Eve fell in paradise, Satan fell in heaven and there was war in heaven, and death entered the human race.

Satan broke truth and lied to Adam and Eve they wanted the lie to be true and acted on it.

When Satan speaks because there is no truth in him all that comes out are lies. Without the Spirit of God in us there is no pleasing God, all the truth we speak is ours not His. God is truth so to be contrary to Him is also contrary to truth.

@zahlanzi said
you view palestinians as subhumans and israel as justified in doing anything because they are "defending" themselves

your vote makes US politicians continue to supply Israel with weapons to kill civilians and not hold it accountable in any way in how they use them

"You don’t think claiming solidarity with a genocidal group puts you in the same class having murdering ot ...[text shortened]... ages kkk took. Or bombing a mall if a mass shooter takes some hostages in the food court.

Dumbass

I never said or implied that Palestinians were subhuman, when I was in Israel the Israelis took me and others to their favorite restaurants, which were owned by Palestinians. We entered and lots of exchanges of greetings were given from the restaurant and those taking us there.

I think you are a hate monger and call me names for no reason outside of you hate other people. Sad you cannot have a normal conversation without dipping this low.

@kellyjay said
https://youtu.be/noj4phMT9OE

Mathematical Challenges to Darwin’s Theory of Evolution
Interview an Athiest, Agnostic, and Christian discuss challenges to evolution.

YouTube

A talk on faith, and the gospel.

@lemonjello said
Did you even watch the link you posted? Please go back (pg 13 of this thread) and watch it again and do not skip over time stamp 4:50 especially. What do you hear and see? I’m sorry that I appear to know more about the junk science literature that you peddle than you do, but that talk is nothing more, nothing less than regurgitation of Behe’s claims regarding IC. ...[text shortened]... xplicably. You really are something, KJ. Go rewatch your own video link and have fun eating crow!

You do seem to take one point of each of the discussions and beat them as if they were the whole point of the whole thing. As you did with Lennox you are doing with the Wallace talk, Wallace was about evidence and how we use it to connect various pieces of it to a single suspect in a murder case, making the talk about how what we see shows what was done in the universe could not be responsible for the universe itself. You took one example disagreed with it and threw out the whole thing, making the whole discussion that point which is a point of contention not one that has been debunked. Your use of the term junk science I suspect is what you use for when what is done doesn't line up with your worldview.

@lemonjello said
Did you even watch the link you posted? Please go back (pg 13 of this thread) and watch it again and do not skip over time stamp 4:50 especially. What do you hear and see? I’m sorry that I appear to know more about the junk science literature that you peddle than you do, but that talk is nothing more, nothing less than regurgitation of Behe’s claims regarding IC. ...[text shortened]... xplicably. You really are something, KJ. Go rewatch your own video link and have fun eating crow!

Apologies, I was wrong about that, but nothing I said had anything to do with Behe, and his bacterial flagellum example didn't occur to me it was in the second link. I do beg to differ that his example has been debunked, it has been disagreed with, but the whole point of design is. I believe it was said it was comprised of different pieces all coming together to form it to do specific work not randomly done. Any more than start-stop mechanisms, level checking, and various systems being integrated into one lifeform for life.

I apologize, I was overly harsh with you, my bad, I was wrong to do it.

@kellyjay said
https://youtu.be/XBugtbBM8AU

If you played cards this would speak to you.

YouTube

Mathematical Challenges to Darwin’s Theory of Evolution
Interview an Athiest, Agnostic, and Christian discuss challenges to evolution.

@lemonjello said
Wow.

Please did you even watch that other link before you blew it off suggesting it was debunked? I have my doubts you did, you never addressed my question which was primarily and which is derivative material or immaterial either. One more thing without explanation in a thread about explanations, but you brought up Behe for reasons unknown to me.

@carnivorum said
The anthropic principle is God's signatue in the universe.

https://sites.google.com/view/anthropic-principle/home

👍

@lemonjello said
Well KJ, it’s been real. Real what I am not sure.

I do not see a point in continuing with this bizarro-world discussion. You posted the original Lennox video, toward which I leveled completely germane critique and raised legitimate counterpoints that you have been either unwilling or incapable of addressing. And you continuously accuse me of being off-topic, ...[text shortened]... g divine agency onto worldly phenomena. I’ll stick with other methods that actually, you know, work.

The only thing I got out of our talk is that you never entered the discussion on the points of the talk. Lennox was talking about the nature of explanation how both agency and the laws of science could both be true at the same time, one does not void the other, and you wished to turn it into something else.

You were, and have been off-topic, and still are as far as I'm concerned. You brought up Behe, not me, and made an argument about explanations claiming to refute him, I didn't say squat about Behe and his claims, and you need to be specific to say what he said and how it was refuted, without that you've said nothing, quite lazy on your part, avoiding specifics of that claims explanation while making a claim.

Lennox didn't make any claims that one type of explanation was superior to the others only that there were different types, but you seem to think otherwise. If you don't think my wanting hot water to make coffee is an explanation it is so obvious you simply are not looking at reality, you have something else going on, apart from the world we live in.

You have been arguing against something I nor Lennox has said or suggested and you are so caught up in that you cannot even see it.

@mlb62 said
what is that supposed to mean ? why isn't every Christian on Earth the Holy Ghost then ?

The relationship is He is like Christ, when Jesus walked the planet taught us and led us, but unlike then He dwells in us. Jesus was limited in human form the Holy Spirit isn’t. He doesn’t overwhelm us, we do become born again, He starts to sanctifying us, making us like Christ. Without the Holy Spirit we don’t belong to God.

YouTube

If you played cards this would speak to you.