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    29 Jun '18 11:32
    Originally posted by @roma45
    Still waiting on a good suggestion from you.
    Pray tell what have I ruined. ?
    You put your big muddy boots all over anyone else's Ideas
    I am surprised you haven't got your puppy to join in
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    29 Jun '18 11:49
    Originally posted by @padger
    You put your big muddy boots all over anyone else's Ideas
    I am surprised you haven't got your puppy to join in
    Mmmmm
    Has any one ever supported one of your insane ideas?
    Current system winners get points losers lose points
    Explain how that's not fair?
    Any time I try and have a serious discussion with you it's back to insults. You are even lame at that just like your chess and understanding of clan systems.

    Good bye loser.
  3. santa cruz, ca.
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    29 Jun '18 13:41
    every game should matter
    as the current system stands
    once a match has been decided
    the remaining games don't matter
    this encourages dumping
    I would like to see a structure where every game matters
    but it has been decided by a vote
    so we have in place a flawed structure
    and I have no idea for a fix
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    29 Jun '18 14:39
    Originally posted by @lemondrop
    every game should matter
    as the current system stands
    once a match has been decided
    the remaining games don't matter
    this encourages dumping
    I would like to see a structure where every game matters
    but it has been decided by a vote
    so we have in place a flawed structure
    and I have no idea for a fix
    At last someone who can see the flaws in the current system
    It encourages ( as you say ) the dumping of games
    Which makes it easier to SAND BAG which is what I am being accused of
    And yet they cannot give an example of how I accomplished this
    It doesn't give an accurate result of a challenge
    If a clan loses a challenge 10 nil they are deducted 20 points
    If they lose a challenge 11-9 they still get deducted 20 points
    How can this possible be correct
    Why should they lose any points in the first place
    The whole thing is total rubbish
    It would be better to give a point for every game won plus a bonus for winning a challenge
    At least this would be a fair reflection of the challenge
  5. santa cruz, ca.
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    29 Jun '18 14:53
    Originally posted by @padger
    At last someone who can see the flaws in the current system
    It encourages ( as you say ) the dumping of games
    Which makes it easier to SAND BAG which is what I am being accused of
    And yet they cannot give an example of how I accomplished this
    It doesn't give an accurate result of a challenge
    If a clan loses a challenge 10 nil they are deducted 20 point ...[text shortened]... plus a bonus for winning a challenge
    At least this would be a fair reflection of the challenge
    right
    maybe it should be decided on gross points
    it would reward clans that play the most challenges
    but what's wrong with that
    it would encourage more play
    and every game would mean something
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    29 Jun '18 15:06
    Originally posted by @lemondrop
    right
    maybe it should be decided on gross points
    it would reward clans that play the most challenges
    but what's wrong with that
    it would encourage more play
    and every game would mean something
    We got away from gross points as it only favoured one or two large clans who played hundreds of games each.
    Net points was decided as fairest.
    But with the 200 rating barrier it's nearly impossible to get 10 v 10.
    In a three man challenge not many larger ones overall. How many games get dumped?
    Game dumping was a mctayto myth thought up in his daft mind to try and justify the collusion.
    Nearly all the games matter on challenges nowadays.
    Again losing closely or getting thrashed in any game should be the same out come.
    There us lots of ways to improve the system but unfortunately most depend on a honour system. But we know that will never happen with past collision.
    Plus can't see admin being bothered to overhaul (again) a small part of RHP.
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    29 Jun '18 15:18
    Originally posted by @roma45
    We got away from gross points as it only favoured one or two large clans who played hundreds of games each.
    Net points was decided as fairest.
    But with the 200 rating barrier it's nearly impossible to get 10 v 10.
    In a three man challenge not many larger ones overall. How many games get dumped?
    Game dumping was a mctayto myth thought up in his daft mind ...[text shortened]... th past collision.
    Plus can't see admin being bothered to overhaul (again) a small part of RHP.
    It is still the clan that plays the most games nearly always comes out on top
    So no change there then
    Why should getting thrashed or losing closely be the same ?
    As Mr Spock says not logical
    Again you are just putting obstacles in the way of progress for the sake of it
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    29 Jun '18 16:56
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    Close it down and use the server space for something practical, such as a dedicated US politics forum perhaps.
    If server space is the issue, banning a couple of serial posters from the debates forum will solve that.

    Duchess64 comes to mind.
    She's got to be almost as bad as Bitcoin consuming processing. 😀
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    29 Jun '18 17:01
    Originally posted by @padger
    It is still the clan that plays the most games nearly always comes out on top
    So no change there then
    Why should getting thrashed or losing closely be the same ?
    As Mr Spock says not logical
    Again you are just putting obstacles in the way of progress for the sake of it
    Lemondrop was third with a one man clan recently so again you post with no facts.
    There are clans who have played more challenges but not been on page one so again no logic in your statement.
    In chess like in every game going a norrow defeat or a big defeat it's still a loss.
    You are like a stuck record wanting change but have no idea how to improve it.
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    29 Jun '18 17:07
    Originally posted by @mghrn55
    If server space is the issue, banning a couple of serial posters from the debates forum will solve that.

    Duchess64 comes to mind.
    She's got to be almost as bad as Bitcoin consuming processing. 😀
    A non sub who never moves and is a white male hater. But still allowed to post her/his bile.
    Robbie got banned for a lot less.
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    29 Jun '18 17:09
    Originally posted by @lemondrop
    every game should matter
    as the current system stands
    once a match has been decided
    the remaining games don't matter
    this encourages dumping
    I would like to see a structure where every game matters
    but it has been decided by a vote
    so we have in place a flawed structure
    and I have no idea for a fix
    I proposed a solution to that if I recall.
    Eventually I realized I was trying to appease the accusers which is counterproductive to actually improving the clan feature.

    In the end, policing the abusers was the most cost effective means of solving the issue.

    As to the continued false notion that players resign games in decided challenges to sandbag their rating, I will say this again.

    Players resign these games to get the challenges in the books.
    Not to manipulate their ratings !! Period !!
    Everyone knows how hard it is to set challenges these days because of the actions of a few individuals.
    Carrobie, McTayto and others.

    When a player resigns one game, they usually win the next one, meaning the rating doesn't change after the 2 games.

    Players who really want to manipulate their ratings use tournament games to do this.
    Ask McTayto.

    The proposal for a separate rating for clan games would have solved this.
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    29 Jun '18 17:33
    Originally posted by @mghrn55
    I proposed a solution to that if I recall.
    Eventually I realized I was trying to appease the accusers which is counterproductive to actually improving the clan feature.

    In the end, policing the abusers was the most cost effective means of solving the issue.

    As to the continued false notion that players resign games in decided challenges to sandbag th ...[text shortened]... this.
    Ask McTayto.

    The proposal for a separate rating for clan games would have solved this.
    Russ said it was not possible to do but we have separate club ratings?
    Doing that would certainly stop players like padger from using tournaments to sand bag but not his crusade to give losers some points.
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    29 Jun '18 19:151 edit
    Originally posted by @roma45
    Russ said it was not possible to do but we have separate club ratings?
    Doing that would certainly stop players like padger from using tournaments to sand bag but not his crusade to give losers some points.
    Prove this !
    I only lost games that I timed out to through being in hospital
    If you would like the proof of this I can get it
    Not being able to breath and fiddling my games are two separate things
    You use this stupid argument to hide the fact that the clan system is broken and will never be put right while people ( I use the term loosely ) like you keep it in it's current position
  14. Subscriberroma45
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    29 Jun '18 20:24
    Originally posted by @padger
    Prove this !
    I only lost games that I timed out to through being in hospital
    If you would like the proof of this I can get it
    Not being able to breath and fiddling my games are two separate things
    You use this stupid argument to hide the fact that the clan system is broken and will never be put right while people ( I use the term loosely ) like you keep it in it's current position
    So your brain was starved of oxygen that explains a lot.
    If the system is broke then why on earth do you bother playing?.really not very bright are you.
    Geez..now you think I have the power to stop improvements..really how stupid are You?
    Maybe you should take up s new game obviously you can't play chess try something else well not blow football obviously
  15. santa cruz, ca.
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    29 Jun '18 22:11
    divegeester's idea
    since there are only a handful of regular poster's on this forum we could effectively put it to sleep
    aside from spreading ill will to others
    this forum does not offer much
    let's ask Russ to close it down
    let's do something great for RHP
    make Trump proud
    hate wins again!
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