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  1. Subscriber Paul Leggett
    Chess Librarian
    06 Feb '16 08:53 / 1 edit
    From Padger's post on the Site Ideas Forum:

    "I would like to propose that the new clan challenge rule that the two players be within 200 points, be changed to a 5 year average and within 100 points .this would stop all the lop sided challenges that happen now and be much fairer."

    I am re-posting the idea here because the Clan forum seems like the best place for this kind of topic. It seems worthy of discussion to me.
  2. 06 Feb '16 12:39
    Originally posted by Paul Leggett
    From Padger's post on the Site Ideas Forum:

    "[b]I would like to propose that the new clan challenge rule that the two players be within 200 points, be changed to a 5 year average and within 100 points .this would stop all the lop sided challenges that happen now and be much fairer.
    "

    I am re-posting the idea here because the Clan forum seems like the best place for this kind of topic. It seems worthy of discussion to me.[/b]
    We the Easy Riders support this measure because it will stop sandbagging clans like metallica from nefariously gleaning points.
  3. Subscriber Ragwort
    Ex Duris Gloria
    06 Feb '16 17:15
    "Originally posted by Paul Leggett
    From Padger's post on the Site Ideas Forum:

    "[b]I would like to propose that the new clan challenge rule that the two players be within 200 points, be changed to a 5 year average and within 100 points .this would stop all the lop sided challenges that happen now and be much fairer.
    "

    I am re-posting the idea here because the Clan forum seems like the best place for this kind of topic. It seems worthy of discussion to me.[/b]
    I am not sure that this proposal will "stop all the lopsided challenges" to any greater extent than the new 200 point rule.

    My 5 year average for example, is nearly 100 points lower than my 90 day average despite the 5 year, 1 year and 90 day high being within 12 points. A quick random sample can easily pick up other players like this for example @zumdahl and @bobla45 whereas @carpmaniac71 is an extreme example of the precise opposite.

    I think the 200 point rule at least disposes of the ridiculous match ups automatically, whilst allowing clan leaders to use their own skill, judgement and due diligence in offering and accepting challenges.
  4. 06 Feb '16 17:56 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Ragwort
    I am not sure that this proposal will "stop all the lopsided challenges" to any greater extent than the new 200 point rule.

    My 5 year average for example, is nearly 100 points lower than my 90 day average despite the 5 year, 1 year and 90 day high being within 12 points. A quick random sample can easily pick up other players like this for example @zumdah ...[text shortened]... eaders to use their own skill, judgement and due diligence in offering and accepting challenges.
    It would out sandbaggers like @zumdahl and @bobla45 in one swoop!
  5. Subscriber shortcircuit
    The Energizer
    06 Feb '16 18:16
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    We the Easy Riders support this measure because it will stop sandbagging clans like metallica from nefariously gleaning points.
    You are nothing but a LIAR!!!!!
    We can show you in MULTIPLE challenges you clan is a party to, where you aren't within
    several hundred points.

    You know you are a colluding, cheating liar!!
    We know it too.

    Now please shut up and spare us your poopourri scent covered diatribe.
    We all know you are a piece of crap and we can smell you for miles.
  6. Subscriber shortcircuit
    The Energizer
    06 Feb '16 18:20 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    It would out sandbaggers like @zumdahl and @bobla45 in one swoop!
    robbie carrobie is blown out of the water too!!
  7. Subscriber Ragwort
    Ex Duris Gloria
    06 Feb '16 19:31
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    It would out sandbaggers like @zumdahl and @bobla45 in one swoop!
    Rubbish Robbie. Deliberate misdirection onto your favourite pantomime villains (ie trolling) as I knew you would when I picked those examples. Perhaps Russ should add up the number of players who have left in disgust at the "antics" and deliberate subversion of the clan system and sue you and the other perpetrators for the lost revenue.

    My argument was the proposed 5 year average rule would have the effect of lowering those players challenge rating band when recent averages show them to be stronger.

    If you don't wish to participate in polite reasoned discussion fine. Troll in some other thread.
  8. 06 Feb '16 20:00
    i don't think it works, my 5 year average rating is 1176, that takes into account various times i have though of leaving the site and resigned lots of games, i like to think i'm better player than that rating but hey maybe i'm not
  9. 06 Feb '16 20:00
    Originally posted by Ragwort
    Rubbish Robbie. Deliberate misdirection onto your favourite pantomime villains (ie trolling) as I knew you would when I picked those examples. Perhaps Russ should add up the number of players who have left in disgust at the "antics" and deliberate subversion of the clan system and sue you and the other perpetrators for the lost revenue.

    My argument was t ...[text shortened]... If you don't wish to participate in polite reasoned discussion fine. Troll in some other thread.
    I see you laid out the breadcrumbs nicely for Robbie.
    And he stepped right into it.
  10. 06 Feb '16 20:03 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Ragwort
    Rubbish Robbie. Deliberate misdirection onto your favourite pantomime villains (ie trolling) as I knew you would when I picked those examples. Perhaps Russ should add up the number of players who have left in disgust at the "antics" and deliberate subversion of the clan system and sue you and the other perpetrators for the lost revenue.

    My argument was t ...[text shortened]... If you don't wish to participate in polite reasoned discussion fine. Troll in some other thread.
    Gee thats bitter not to mention rather hysterical.

    As for your assertion about reasoned debate, I think you may find that I myself proposed a rating floor based not on the five year average but the tournament entry rating which fell largely on deaf ears and was opposed by none other than the clan whose players just happen to have five year averages well above their present and in my opinion sandbagged ratings as it stands. Not a single credible reason was proffered on why the tournament entry rating could not be utilized as a rating floor.
  11. 06 Feb '16 20:05
    Originally posted by shortcircuit
    You are nothing but a LIAR!!!!!
    We can show you in MULTIPLE challenges you clan is a party to, where you aren't within
    several hundred points.

    You know you are a colluding, cheating liar!!
    We know it too.

    Now please shut up and spare us your poopourri scent covered diatribe.
    We all know you are a piece of crap and we can smell you for miles.
    Wow it is a Jazz festival, whup whup whup. I like the sound of trumpets
  12. 06 Feb '16 20:20
    Originally posted by Paul Leggett
    From Padger's post on the Site Ideas Forum:

    "[b]I would like to propose that the new clan challenge rule that the two players be within 200 points, be changed to a 5 year average and within 100 points .this would stop all the lop sided challenges that happen now and be much fairer.
    "

    I am re-posting the idea here because the Clan forum seems like the best place for this kind of topic. It seems worthy of discussion to me.[/b]
    I have been a strong supporter of using the tournament entry rating as the basis for clan challenges
    it has a built in floor and is much harder to manipulate thus the reason it is used in tournament play
    not perfect, but the better alternative
  13. 06 Feb '16 20:22
    Originally posted by lemondrop
    I have been a strong supporter of using the tournament entry rating as the basis for clan challenges
    it has a built in floor and is much harder to manipulate thus the reason it is used in tournament play
    not perfect, but the better alternative
    my tournament rating is more accurate so i would go with this idea
  14. 06 Feb '16 20:23
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Gee thats bitter.

    As for your assertion about reasoned debate, I think you may find that I myself proposed a rating floor based not on the five year average but the tournament entry rating which fell largely on deaf ears and was opposed by none other than the clan whose players just happen to have five year averages well above their present and in ...[text shortened]... reason was proffered on why the tournament entry rating could not be utilized as a rating floor.
    I think the deaf ears are a result of the accumulated fatigue from
    listening to your drivel for years.

    To the point that on the rare occasion that you actually say something sensible, nobody listens.

    Too bad !!
  15. 06 Feb '16 20:25 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by lemondrop
    I have been a strong supporter of using the tournament entry rating as the basis for clan challenges
    it has a built in floor and is much harder to manipulate thus the reason it is used in tournament play
    not perfect, but the better alternative
    Please see my reply above to Carrobie.
    Applies to you as well !!