Originally posted by moonbusI must applaud your patience and magnanimity in attempting to reason with the zombie apocalypse, its truly admirable.
First of all, this isn't a court of law and no one is on trial here.
Second, you and some others who are intent on punishing four clans are looking only at symptoms, not the root cause.
Sandbagging and collusion are symptoms.
Even without the side issues of sandbagging and collusion, the clan system is distorted by a fundamental flaw, as follows:
...[text shortened]... that sorted out first, then see whether any punitive measures are still necessary.
Originally posted by Very RustyAs I said in reply to a previous post in this thread, there are two problems here: corrupted data and flawed programming. I agreed that the corrupted data should be rectified, but only secondarily. If the corrupted data (i.e., the ill-gotten points) are rectified without fixing the programming flaws, then subsequent data will be corrupted as before and nothing will have been achieved. As has been pointed out already, previously rolled back points and previously punished players have not lead to a satisfactory situation -- we are right back where were before the previous miscreants were punished and their ill-gotten points were annulled. Trying the same thing again and expecting a different result is -- now what was it Einstein said it was ? Oh yeah, insanity.
Sir,
I strongly disagree, you do the roll back on points that were handed on a silver platter, & hand out suspensions to those involved. It is OBVIOUS at least to me you are SIDING with the collusion clans. "Easy Riders", Breaking Bad, Anti Metallica, & arrow. Other wise why would you not want a roll back on CHEATED POINTS!!!!
Further more I don't think your solution will work either. My opinion of course.
Kind Regards,
-VR
Now, what do you say to my example above in which Clan A claims the championship on gross wins, despite having been defeated by another clan? Clan A did not cheat, so there is no reason to cancel any of their points. Still, it cannot be right to crown them champions, now can it?
Originally posted by moonbusSir,
As I said in reply to a previous post in this thread, there are two problems here: corrupted data and flawed programming. I agreed that the corrupted data should be rectified, but only secondarily. If the corrupted data (i.e., the ill-gotten points) are rectified without fixing the programming flaws, then subsequent data will be corrupted as before and nothi ...[text shortened]... on to cancel any of their points. Still, it cannot be right to crown them champions, now can it?
That is because you are on the side of the collusion clans "Easy Riders" Breaking Bad", Anti Metallica and arrow, and would love to see them keep their CHEATED POINTS!!!
Punish the guilty parties and roll back the points, then do the fix what ever you think that might be. I am sure Admins are writting everything you say down, so they know now how to solve the problem!~
Kindest Regards,
Sincerely,
-VR
Originally posted by Very RustyEinstein was correct re insanity
Sir,
That is because you are on the side of the collusion clans "Easy Riders" Breaking Bad", Anti Metallica and arrow, and would love to see them keep their CHEATED POINTS!!!
Kindest Regards,
Sincerely,
-VR
Crusty keeps up this notion of collusion when he fully knows the problem is metallica sandbagging
Originally posted by MctaytoSir,
Einstein was correct re insanity
Crusty keeps up this notion of collusion when he fully knows the problem is metallica sandbagging
I can tell you one of the problems for certain. YOU quitting WON GAMES and resigning games at the beginning of a challenge(s) to give "Easy Riders", easy points! That sir is SANDBAGGING!!!!
By the way as I told your master, Rusty is spelled without a "C".... 😛
Kindest Regards,
With all the respect you deserve,
Karma is nipping on your butt hard now,
Sincerely,
-VR
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThis whole business of accusing people of "taking sides", amassing "evidence", and signing up to "petitions" strikes me as rather puritanical.
I must applaud your patience and magnanimity in attempting to reason with the zombie apocalypse, its truly admirable.
I should like to see a discussion to try to reach an amicable settlement everyone can sign up to so we can all get back to what we are ostensibly here for, namely, to play chess and have fun at it. The process of reaching a settlement works best when everyone at the table is treated as representing legitimate interests. There are several grievances to be aired, and even if some of those present think some of the grievances are not legitimate, the grievances should at least be heard and acknowledged.
If the clan system is to be salvaged, if good players are to be retained, then it is in everyone's interest to remain civil. If incivility and resentment increase, then good players are likely to abandon RHP and take their custom to other chess forums.
Originally posted by moonbusSir,
This whole business of accusing people of "taking sides", amassing "evidence", and signing up to "petitions" strikes me as rather puritanical.
I should like to see a discussion to try to reach an amicable settlement everyone can sign up to so we can all get back to what we are ostensibly here for, namely, to play chess and have fun at it. The process of ...[text shortened]... crease, then good players are likely to abandon RHP and take their custom to other chess forums.
If I understand you correctly and please correct me if I a wrong. You want "Easy Riders" Breaking Bad, Anti Metallica & Arrow, to keep ALL THEIR COLLUSION points Plus go unpunished with no SUSPENSIONS!!!!
You are correct about people moving as some already have, some more are going to if this matter is not straightened out. You can take that one to the bank, or as the case may be not. I do not plan on re-newing my subscription as several others have done if the issues are not taken care of.
Do you condone throwing won games, and resigning games at the beginning of challenge? This is what mctayto has done and we have the proof of it. This is what has taken the fun out of the game!!
Answer the question for change without dancing around it! It is not a hard question.
Kind Regards
Sincerely
-VR
Originally posted by moonbusfirstly, i know it's not a court of law, i even used the words COMPARISON and IMAGINE sorry if you get confused easily. i will make it as simple as i possible can.
First of all, this isn't a court of law and no one is on trial here.
Second, you and some others who are intent on punishing four clans are looking only at symptoms, not the root cause.
Sandbagging and collusion are symptoms.
Even without the side issues of sandbagging and collusion, the clan system is distorted by a fundamental flaw, as follows:
...[text shortened]... that sorted out first, then see whether any punitive measures are still necessary.
i asked a very simple question, to threats are involved towards Russ and admin, just wanted to know if any other members on here are fed up with the totally obvious cheating being done by the following clans
Easy riders
Breaking bad
Anti-metallica
The arrow.
, a message must be sent to cheats, suspend the clans remove the points, only fair solution.
secondly, you can use all the a b c examples you want, take it to site ideas please, a five man clan who play once a week or so do not deserve to be champions, your clan has just three completed challenges all year.
symptoms? easy fixed, kill the root, suspend the cheats
Originally posted by MctaytoSir,
Dear Crusty
I believe he is telling you that the problem of Metallica Sandbagging is the root to all your problems
That is what he would love for everyone to think. He needs to get a reality check obviously. Note: He still hasn't answered a simple question about your quitting won games, and resigning games at the start of challenge to give "Easy Rider" easy points!!
We probably should get more into the other Collusion clans who are throwing points, it isn't just you. At least you were honest about it, got to hand you that!
He seems to be quite capable of talking for himself, you really don't needto help him.
Kind Regards,
Karma is biting at your butt,
Sincerely,
-VR
Originally posted by Very RustyI have repeatedly told you that metallica sandbagging by resigning games after a result of a challenge has been determined is deemed acceptable and within the rules therefore it is acceptable to resign any game at any time as this is also within the rules.
Sir,
That is what he would love for everyone to think. He needs to get a reality check obviously. Note: He still hasn't answered a simple question about your quitting won games, and resigning games at the start of challenge to give "Easy Rider" easy points!!
He seems to be quite capable of talking for himself, you really don't needto help him.
Kind Regards,
Karma is biting at your butt,
Sincerely,
-VR
Now in return you can tell me if you agree with metallica sandbagging tactics ?
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Originally posted by Mctaytothere is certainly too much sandbagging and it's widespread, a new ratings system needs to be devised soon otherwise this fiasco will just carry on
I have repeatedly told you that metallica sandbagging by resigning games after a result of a challenge has been determined is deemed acceptable and within the rules therefore it is acceptable to resign any game at any time as this is also within the rules.
Now in return you can tell me if you agree with metallica sandbagging tactics ?