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  1. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    22 Mar '11 12:01 / 1 edit
    The next step towards completing the sexual revolution?
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/mar/22/porn-women
  2. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    22 Mar '11 12:33
    Her website explains: "We produce adult movies. We
    publish erotic books and magazines. Our works speak
    about sex, lust and passion. We enjoy exciting you and
    exciting your mind. We make love, not porn. And we do
    all this with a feminine, aesthetic and innovative approach."


    This is so clichéd that it is inevitable to go 😴

    Just another shallow attempt at creating a new revenue
    stream and some job opportunities clinging to the desperate
    need of Westerners to snap out of their consumerist letargy...
    with more consumption! Dong!
  3. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    22 Mar '11 12:34
    Have you read a book with a title like "Amusing ourselves to death"
    or "Entertaining ourselves to death" ?
  4. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    22 Mar '11 13:18 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Her website explains: "We produce adult movies. We
    publish erotic books and magazines. Our works speak
    about sex, lust and passion. We enjoy exciting you and
    exciting your mind. We make love, not porn. And we do
    all this with a feminine, aesthetic and innovative approach."


    This is so clichéd that it is inevitable to go 😴

    Just another sha ...[text shortened]...
    need of Westerners to snap out of their consumerist letargy...
    with more consumption! Dong!
    Oh dear, you sound like shavixmir.

    Consumption is a meaningless label (for distinguishing quality of products). It can mean just about anything that you can spend money on that isn't an intermediate good or investment. To decry consumption and/or consumerism by itself is just a rhetorical device that is concocted to bring about images of fat kids gulping Big Macs and Whoppers while a money-grubbing capitalist counts his profits, but is ultimately empty and devoid of meaning. Consumption doesn't distinguish between Big Macs or fine dining, N-Sync or Tom Waits, or even between a cigarette or an Aspirin.
  5. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    22 Mar '11 13:44
    The post that was quoted here has been removed
    The vilification of the whole concept of profit (regardless of what the profit was made out) is part of the misleading images I described. That common mistake (for which again the same type of emotional visualization is intended) goes hand in hand with the first one.
  6. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    22 Mar '11 15:36
    Originally posted by Palynka
    Oh dear, you sound like shavixmir.

    Consumption is a meaningless label (for distinguishing quality of products). It can mean just about anything that you can spend money on that isn't an intermediate good or investment. To decry consumption and/or consumerism by itself is just a rhetorical device that is concocted to bring about images of fat kids gulping ...[text shortened]... tween Big Macs or fine dining, N-Sync or Tom Waits, or even between a cigarette or an Aspirin.
    So, you'd put a Giffen good in the same basket as a
    commodity when speaking about behavioral economics?

    ---
    As for the female porn, I cannot explain it better than
    this: it is an iPad.
  7. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    22 Mar '11 15:43
    Originally posted by Seitse
    So, you'd put a Giffen good in the same basket as a
    commodity when speaking about behavioral economics?

    ---
    As for the female porn, I cannot explain it better than
    this: it is an iPad.
    Porn is not a Giffen good. You only need to look at the explosion of free porn sites to see that.

    But at least now you seem to acknowledge the importance of going a bit deeper than the general attacks on "consumption" who miss the immense variety within that category.

    What do you mean by "it is an iPad"? Are you the type that thinks people shouldn't spend money on entertainment?
  8. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    22 Mar '11 15:48
    The post that was quoted here has been removed
    All I said is that general statements about consumerism are pointless. Unless Seitse digs deeper and explains why female porn is intrinsically worse for society than football, roses, toys and a myriad of other entertainment products then ranting about consumption doesn't mean much.
  9. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    22 Mar '11 15:50
    Originally posted by Palynka
    Porn is not a Giffen good. You only need to look at the explosion of free porn sites to see that.

    But at least now you seem to acknowledge the importance of going a bit deeper than the general attacks on "consumption" who miss the immense variety within that category.

    What do you mean by "it is an iPad"? Are you the type that thinks people shouldn't spend money on entertainment?
    I think you totally misread me.

    I am a great fan of the enterprise and an avid reader of
    Coase, with the small caveat of the triple bottom line.
    My criticism is actually that they artificially trying to
    create a need that does not exist, as it is the case of
    eating, drinking water, etc.
  10. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    22 Mar '11 16:02
    Originally posted by Seitse
    I think you totally misread me.

    I am a great fan of the enterprise and an avid reader of
    Coase, with the small caveat of the triple bottom line.
    My criticism is actually that they artificially trying to
    create a need that does not exist, as it is the case of
    eating, drinking water, etc.
    What does it mean "artificially create a need" when you're talking about entertainment goods?

    And if anything porn reflects a "need" that vastly predates most forms of current entertainment. There is sexual imagery from prehistoric times and porn since film was invented. There were erotic and pornographic pictures since photography was invented, there were sexually explicit images in many Roman cities, etc.

    You don't think it's fallacious to label non-basic needs as "consumerism" in such general sweeping terms? Are all forms of entertainment "consumerism"? Does entertainment not have a real value for people? For their sanity, even?
  11. Standard member Seitse
    Doug Stanhope
    22 Mar '11 16:04
    Originally posted by Palynka
    What does it mean "artificially create a need" when you're talking about entertainment goods?

    And if anything porn reflects a "need" that vastly predates most forms of current entertainment. There is sexual imagery from prehistoric times and porn since film was invented. There were erotic and pornographic pictures since photography was invented, there we ...[text shortened]... merism"? Does entertainment not have a real value for people? For their sanity, even?
    Ha! You got to the real point: is porn an inherent
    behavior to womanhood?

    It would be like asking: is Clinique exfoliating scrub
    a need for males?
  12. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    22 Mar '11 16:23
    Originally posted by Seitse
    Ha! You got to the real point: is porn an inherent
    behavior to womanhood?

    It would be like asking: is Clinique exfoliating scrub
    a need for males?
    Why does it need to be an "inherent behaviour"? Is football? Is playing chess? Which forms of entertainment are "inherent behaviour"? That's a too stringent criteria.

    Women like sex. Is this really news? Nope. Do women like porn? I don't see why they shouldn't, especially if made to cater their fantasies too. There are some surveys out there that seem to show that women watch more porn than most people think. Here's an article:
    http://www.metro.co.uk/lifestyle/52811-women-who-love-to-watch-porn
    These also suggest that they like different things in porn (as expected) so there room for female porn.
  13. Standard member Bosse de Nage
    Zellulärer Automat
    22 Mar '11 20:30
    Originally posted by Palynka
    The next step towards completing the sexual revolution?
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/mar/22/porn-women
    Once the revolution is complete, what then?
  14. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    22 Mar '11 20:36
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    Once the revolution is complete, what then?
    It's never complete, it asymptotes.
  15. Standard member Bosse de Nage
    Zellulärer Automat
    22 Mar '11 20:37
    Originally posted by Palynka
    It's never complete, it asymptotes.
    Rude curves, man.