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ka
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
that is a special song, i thought it was about his perceptions of the spinelessness of his generation, 'its fun to lose and to pretend', although I myself am aware of the contrast between egotism and the quest for humility, the latter being a strength rather than a perceived weakness.

what do you think happened to him in the end, i remember at th ...[text shortened]... in the end he appears to have felt like a performing monkey and could not handle the betrayal.
yeah, something like that. He seems to come in the jim morrison-type mould. ie. It was gonna take a mnior miracle to avert an early death. Seems like people like Kurt were a great example to many. Not necessarily a good example but an honest one. He resonated with so many people, as a person and not just through his music. I hope his example will show that where he went wrong others can prevail.
peace kurt-wherever you are:'(

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From the Modern Lovers

Well some people try to pick up girls
And get called a**holes
This never happened to pablo picasso
He could walk down your street
And girls could not resist his stare and
So pablo picasso was never called an a**hole

Well the girls would turn the color
Of the avacado when he would drive
Down their street in his el dorado
He could walk down you street
And girls could not resist his stare
Pablo picasso never got called an a**hole
Not like you
Alright

Well he was only 5'3"
But girls could not resist his stare
Pablo picasso never got called an a**hole
Not in new york

Oh well be not schmuck, be not abnoxious,
Be not bellbottom bummer or a**hole
Remember the story of pablo picasso
He could walk down your street
And girls could not resist his stare
Pablo picasso was never called an a**hole
Alright this is it

Some people try to pick up girls
And they get called an a**hole
This never happened to pablo picasso
He could walk down your street
And girls could not resist his stare and so
Pablo picasso was never called...


See RHP folk..punk was not all about anarchy..much was about humor

rc

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Originally posted by karoly aczel
yeah, something like that. He seems to come in the jim morrison-type mould. ie. It was gonna take a mnior miracle to avert an early death. Seems like people like Kurt were a great example to many. Not necessarily a good example but an honest one. He resonated with so many people, as a person and not just through his music. I hope his example will show that where he went wrong others can prevail.
peace kurt-wherever you are:'(
yes this is brilliant, he did resonate with so many people fed up with the fantasy and unreality of life! have you read his alleged suicide note?

rc

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Originally posted by badmoon
From the Modern Lovers

Well some people try to pick up girls
And get called a**holes
This never happened to pablo picasso
He could walk down your street
And girls could not resist his stare and
So pablo picasso was never called an a**hole

Well the girls would turn the color
Of the avacado when he would drive
Down their street in his el dorado
H ...[text shortened]... so was never called...


See RHP folk..punk was not all about anarchy..much was about humor
lol, i need to recommend this!

ka
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes this is brilliant, he did resonate with so many people fed up with the fantasy and unreality of life! have you read his alleged suicide note?
no. can you quote some of it?

rc

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To Boddah

Speaking from the tongue of an experienced simpleton who obviously would rather be an emasculated, infantile complain-ee. This note should be pretty easy to understand.

All the warnings from the punk rock 101 courses over the years, since my first introduction to the, shall we say, ethics involved with independence and the embracement of your community has proven to be very true. I haven't felt the excitement of listening to as well as creating music along with reading and writing for too many years now. I feel guity beyond words about these things.

For example when we're back stage and the lights go out and the manic roar of the crowds begins., it doesn't affect me the way in which it did for Freddie Mercury, who seemed to love, relish in the the love and adoration from the crowd which is something I totally admire and envy. The fact is, I can't fool you, any one of you. It simply isn't fair to you or me. The worst crime I can think of would be to rip people off by faking it and pretending as if I'm having 100% fun. Sometimes I feel as if I should have a punch-in time clock before I walk out on stage. I've tried everything within my power to appreciate it (and I do,God, believe me I do, but it's not enough). I appreciate the fact that I and we have affected and entertained a lot of people. It must be one of those narcissists who only appreciate things when they're gone. I'm too sensitive. I need to be slightly numb in order to regain the enthusiasms I once had as a child.

On our last 3 tours, I've had a much better appreciation for all the people I've known personally, and as fans of our music, but I still can't get over the frustration, the guilt and empathy I have for everyone. There's good in all of us and I think I simply love people too much, so much that it makes me feel too f**** sad. The sad little, sensitive, unappreciative, Pisces, Jesus man. Why don't you just enjoy it? I don't know!

I have a goddess of a wife who sweats ambition and empathy and a daughter who reminds me too much of what i used to be, full of love and joy, kissing every person she meets because everyone is good and will do her no harm. And that terrifies me to the point to where I can barely function. I can't stand the thought of Frances becoming the miserable, self-destructive, death rocker that I've become.

I have it good, very good, and I'm grateful, but since the age of seven, I've become hateful towards all humans in general. Only because it seems so easy for people to get along that have empathy. Only because I love and feel sorry for people too much I guess.

Thank you all from the pit of my burning, nauseous stomach for your letters and concern during the past years. I'm too much of an erratic, moody baby! I don't have the passion anymore, and so remember, it's better to burn out than to fade away.

Peace, love, empathy.
Kurt Cobain

Frances and Courtney, I'll be at your alter.
Please keep going Courtney, for Frances.
For her life, which will be so much happier without me.

I LOVE YOU, I LOVE YOU!

ka
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
To Boddah

Speaking from the tongue of an experienced simpleton who obviously would rather be an emasculated, infantile complain-ee. This note should be pretty easy to understand.

All the warnings from the punk rock 101 courses over the years, since my first introduction to the, shall we say, ethics involved with independence and the embracement ...[text shortened]... fe, which will be so much happier without me.

I LOVE YOU, I LOVE YOU!
wow!
*gasp* thank you robbie

K

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I think Cobain discovered that simple pop tunes is all he could write, so he could never turn out to be the maverick he wanted to be.

Until reading that letter, I never understood why Cobain simply didn't disband Nirvana and hook up with his old friends from the Melvins or Earth, who are brilliant musicians and make music that will never appeal to a wide audience. I think I understand now.

rc

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Originally posted by KazetNagorra
I think Cobain discovered that simple pop tunes is all he could write, so he could never turn out to be the maverick he wanted to be.

Until reading that letter, I never understood why Cobain simply didn't disband Nirvana and hook up with his old friends from the Melvins or Earth, who are brilliant musicians and make music that will never appeal to a wide audience. I think I understand now.
yep, I remember an interview shortly before his death, he was trying to envisage a time when nirvana were more than a three chord wonder group, perhaps his attempt to go unplugged was a stab at artistry?

ka
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yep, I remember an interview shortly before his death, he was trying to envisage a time when nirvana were more than a three chord wonder group, perhaps his attempt to go unplugged was a stab at artistry?
nothing wrong with three chord pop. to write a Great pop tune that endures is as good as writing a symphony in my book.
Suurree , it seems simple but someone had to come up with it.
And to make thrashy punk sound 'balanced' is another art in itself

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Originally posted by karoly aczel
The dead kennedys were playing punk way before the british punks
Wrong. DK didn't even form until '78. They didn't even release a proper album until 1980. The Sex Pistols had risen, fallen and broken up two years before the Kennedys had even released an album. The Clash as well had already released three albums (including London Calling) before DK released Fresh Fruit...

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Suggested reading for those of you highly misinformed but well-intentioned posters:

http://www.amazon.com/Please-Kill-Me-Uncensored-History/dp/0140266909

S

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Punk is lame anyway.

d

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Originally posted by Starrman
Punk is lame anyway.
So go back to your Tori Amos records then, winner.

S

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Originally posted by darvlay
So go back to your Tori Amos records then, winner.
With pleasure, enjoy your meaningless, puerile antagonism 🙂