14 Nov 09
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has anybody watched this excellent 70s British-made documentary series about WW2? i think the entire series runs to over 30 hours, much of it narrated by Laurence Olivier. i've been watching the two episodes dedicated to the holocaust. harrowing stuff (of course), but one thing that really struck me concerned footage from the Warsaw Ghetto. i experienced a shock of recognition, as some scenes looked very similar to scenes from Polanski's The Pianist - i guess the set designers were working closely from actual footage. the first episode traces the evolution of the idea of the final solution, while episode two focuses more on its execution and the massive human misery it caused. excellent series imo.
14 Nov 09
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Originally posted by Blackamphow objective is it, for i find, that in many instances, we have what's termed a victors account. take for example the notorious ss, it is well known that they committed many terrible atrocities, how well known is it that they also had humanitarian programs as well, albeit for those whom they favoured? What of the accounts of the bombing of Dresden, or the terrible suffering of the Germans left in Berlin, the rape of the defenceless women at the hands of the Russians etc etc.
has anybody watched this excellent 70s British-made documentary series about WW2? i think the entire series runs to over 30 hours, much of it narrated by Laurence Olivier. i've been watching the two episodes dedicated to the holocaust. harrowing stuff (of course), but one thing that really struck me concerned footage from the Warsaw Ghetto. i experienced a wo focuses more on its execution and the massive human misery it caused. excellent series imo.
14 Nov 09
Originally posted by divegeesteryes i checked it out, you can get the box set of Amazon for thirty quid!
It's a brilliant series but as Robbie points out, not the whole truth. Nevertheless, in my humble opinion it remains one of the best televised chronologies and a fantastic watch.
Is it available on DVD?
15 Nov 09
Originally posted by BlackampExcellent series indeed. It could have been longer and possibly an uncut version exists out there somewhere. If you want to supllement your knowledge of the period read Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William L. Shirer . The quintessential book of the period. I prefer reading to documentaries, but have watched the whole thing. At the time it was made not as much was known about the flying death squads and massacres like Babi Yar are mentioned in passing. Also Soviet massacres like Katyn Forest are not brought up so as to not piss off the Ruskies.
has anybody watched this excellent 70s British-made documentary series about WW2? i think the entire series runs to over 30 hours, much of it narrated by Laurence Olivier. i've been watching the two episodes dedicated to the holocaust. harrowing stuff (of course), but one thing that really struck me concerned footage from the Warsaw Ghetto. i experienced a ...[text shortened]... wo focuses more on its execution and the massive human misery it caused. excellent series imo.
15 Nov 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieye, that's always a concern with war histories. i have seen pretty much the whole series but a long time ago - the only episodes i've watched recently are the holocaust ones and, while it certainly doesn't seek to excuse this terrible episode in human history, it does seem like a serious attempt to understand it and its roots. it does look at the history and "philosophy" behind the SS fairly closely, though i don't think it mentions humanitarian programs, at least not in this episode.
how objective is it, for i find, that in many instances, we have what's termed a victors account. take for example the notorious ss, it is well known that they committed many terrible atrocities, how well known is it that they also had humanitarian programs as well, albeit for those whom they favoured? What of the accounts of the bombing of Dresden ...[text shortened]... Germans left in Berlin, the rape of the defenceless women at the hands of the Russians etc etc.
15 Nov 09
Originally posted by scacchipazzoA fine book. But perhaps no longer the quintessential one. It may have been usurped by Michael Burleigh's "The Third Reich: A New History".
If you want to supllement your knowledge of the period read Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William L. Shirer . The quintessential book of the period.
16 Nov 09
Originally posted by BlackampWatched all of them in the early days of the VCR--at least early by my standards. I rented them from the local Pic-a-Flick. Great series.
has anybody watched this excellent 70s British-made documentary series about WW2? i think the entire series runs to over 30 hours, much of it narrated by Laurence Olivier. i've been watching the two episodes dedicated to the holocaust. harrowing stuff (of course), but one thing that really struck me concerned footage from the Warsaw Ghetto. i experienced a ...[text shortened]... wo focuses more on its execution and the massive human misery it caused. excellent series imo.
17 Nov 09
Originally posted by BlackampGreat series, one of my favorites. Cosmos was another great series.
has anybody watched this excellent 70s British-made documentary series about WW2? i think the entire series runs to over 30 hours, much of it narrated by Laurence Olivier. i've been watching the two episodes dedicated to the holocaust. harrowing stuff (of course), but one thing that really struck me concerned footage from the Warsaw Ghetto. i experienced a ...[text shortened]... wo focuses more on its execution and the massive human misery it caused. excellent series imo.
15 Dec 09
Originally posted by expuddlepirateThanks for the rec's. I will most definitely look these up. The man intrigues me from the standpoint of his ability to rationalize his misdeeds and ability to self promote even to the point of avoiding the gallows like the other Nazi bigs! BTW, I got Burleigh's book from the library and I do not think it adds much to Shirer's magnus opus! INdeed the old books were much better reads as they were much better writes!
Albert Speer's two works are old but VERY good reads on that period. "Spandau; the Secret diaries" and "Inside the Third Reich".
16 Dec 09
Originally posted by scacchipazzoI thought Burleigh got to the heart of the whole thing of the Nazi phenomenon being a surrogate religion rather than a mere political ideology - and thus, for me, encapsulated the psychological horror of it all more tellingly than Shirer. But they are both very worthy books, for sure.
I got Burleigh's book from the library and I do not think it adds much to Shirer's magnus opus!
16 Dec 09
Originally posted by scacchipazzoHave you read Gitta Sereny's Albert Speer: His Battle With Truth? A simply incredible book - it affected me quite deeply when I was younger.
Thanks for the rec's. I will most definitely look these up. The man intrigues me from the standpoint of his ability to rationalize his misdeeds and ability to self promote even to the point of avoiding the gallows like the other Nazi bigs! BTW, I got Burleigh's book from the library and I do not think it adds much to Shirer's magnus opus! INdeed the old books were much better reads as they were much better writes!