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@divegeester
Have you looked at the Greens policy on these subjects?
They have some bold ideas.
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@shavixmir saidIt is exactly what you said over your two posts.
That is no way to be distilled from what I posted.
You said:
- It impacts parents due to the school holidays
- It targets low income families.
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@yo-its-me saidI haven’t looked specifically recently.
@divegeester
Have you looked at the Greens policy on these subjects?
They have some bold ideas.
But the Greens always have bold ideas; doesn’t mean those ideas are credible in terms of them being implementable.
Happy to discuss if you would like to name your favourite ones?
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@divegeester
I think what you're saying is the reason why a lot of people don't vote Green- the strength of their ideas is not tested till they have the power to make change and the changes they are planning are big: will mean a lot of change.
The UK is not famous for implementing change and coping with it well.
My favorite three:
Giving all children a private school-style education.
Focusing on community. They have lots of ideas to support locals to work together, support each other, and be part of the community: I think this would improve everyone's enjoyment of life.
Wealth tax and not allowing (non-resident) foreigners to purchase any more property in the UK
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@yo-its-me saidNot “green” as such are they? In fact not at all.
@divegeester
My favorite three:
Giving all children a private school-style education.
Focusing on community. They have lots of ideas to support locals to work together, support each other, and be part of the community: I think this would improve everyone's enjoyment of life.
Wealth tax and not allowing (non-resident) foreigners to purchase any more property in the UK
- How on earth will the party fund “private school style education for ALL children”? And I suppose that by default this would mean the end of state education as an institution resulting in hundreds of thousands of teaching post reducncies?
- I think all political parties focus on the community in one way or another.
- what specially do they mean by “wealth tax”? All wealth is taxed somehow, at some point.
- the piece about not allowing foreigners (non doms) to buy property would therefore exclude all foreign investment which included ownership or part ownership in real estate. So that strategy would require hundreds if not thousands of pages of policy detail which would inevitably be full of loopholes and likely involve foreign retaliation preventing similar investment abroad by both UK businesses and private individuals. In short it would be unworkable.
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@divegeester saidIt's my summary that their policy amounts to providing children with the advantages normally given to children having a private education:
Not “green” as such are they? In fact not at all.
- How on earth will the party fund “private school style education for ALL children”? And I suppose that by default this would mean the end of state education as an institution resulting in hundreds of thousands of teaching post reducncies?
- I think all political parties focus on the community in one way or another ...[text shortened]... ar investment abroad by both UK businesses and private individuals. In short it would be unworkable.
https://policy.greenparty.org.uk/policy/education/
I don't think any party has put as much thought into how the community should function as much as the Greens
Wealth tax on richest 1% and watertight windfall tax backdated to January would raise £75bn to help improve homes
Foreign investment in UK buildings is one of the reasons people on an average wage can't afford to buy and are struggling to rent.
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@yo-its-me saidYour points individually:
It's my summary that their policy amounts to providing children with the advantages normally given to children having a private education:
https://policy.greenparty.org.uk/policy/education/
I don't think any party has put as much thought into how the community should function as much as the Greens
Wealth tax on richest 1% and watertight windfall tax backdated to Ja ...[text shortened]... ings is one of the reasons people on an average wage can't afford to buy and are struggling to rent.
1) I don’t understand how giving all children access to private style education would be funded, and how the effective abolishment of state education would be managed in terms of redundancies, hardship, mental health and compensations?
2) do you have some data on this? I don’t so can’t refute it, but it sounds a bit of a biased assumption tbh.
3) you realise that applying a discriminatory wealth tax onto a minority’s wealth (not their income) simply because they are wealthy is morally tantamount to government theft? Of course most of these super wealthy would simply move their wealth out of the UK immediately the policy was announced, so it’s all just a performative vote-winning rouse anyway.
4) there might be something in this to be fair, but it depends hugely on what type of foreign real estate investment the Greens want to target. For example individual foreign investors might by holiday homes and rent them out. But UK investors do the same. Cornwall for example is bleating constantly that there aren’t enough “affordable homes” due to too many properties being bought up and used as holiday rentals. Of course what the Cornish tend to forget is that tourism happens to be their primary industry. I’ve not read it, but the Greens need to be very specific in what restrictions they want to impose and to whom.
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@divegeester saidYes. But not all Scottish families are low income.
It is exactly what you said over your two posts.
You said:
- It impacts parents due to the school holidays
- It targets low income families.
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@shavixmir saidSo how does the election date “target low income families”?
Yes. But not all Scottish families are low income.
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@divegeester saidBecause they are the least likely to arrange alternative voting arrangrments.
So how does the election date “target low income families”?
@shavixmir saidSo which date would work best for low income families who have kids at school and who can’t be bothered to arrange alternative voting arrangements?
Because they are the least likely to arrange alternative voting arrangrments.
And what about average and higher income families with kids at school, are they ok with the date?
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@divegeester saidAnytime when there’s not a school holiday.
So which date would work best for low income families who have kids at school and who can’t be bothered to arrange alternative voting arrangements?
And what about average and higher income families with kids at school, are they ok with the date?
And preferably good weather (for elderly people).
Medium and high income families are generally better educated and more likely to arrange an alternative method for voting. However, even their votes do drop during holidays.
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@divegeester said1) That's because you haven't seen the Green's plans. It's a whole new structure of spending. Obviously, there will be a need to recruit more teachers, that's the only way to meet the Green's objectives.
Your points individually:
1) I don’t understand how giving all children access to private style education would be funded, and how the effective abolishment of state education would be managed in terms of redundancies, hardship, mental health and compensations?
2) do you have some data on this? I don’t so can’t refute it, but it sounds a bit of a biased assumption t ...[text shortened]... ad it, but the Greens need to be very specific in what restrictions they want to impose and to whom.
2) Based on seeing the policies of other parties. To be fair the Greens' is the one I have properly read, the others not so much. Have you read a policy from another party that focuses on the community to such an extent that they have multiple plans to strengthen it? Or were you referring to the £ from a wealth tax? - if is; it's lifted straight from the Green's policy site, so the calculation will have been from statistics they've used. I'm inclined to accept it rather than try to calculate the amount myself.
3) I don't think so. I know the stereotype of 'the rich' is that they got that way by holding on to it, but I don't accept that that's how they want to be. I think if people saw their money doing something real they'd be happy to see it go. For the most part anyway.
4) the reference is buying up buildings in London and leaving them empty. Investing for the sake of having them. You can read a bit about the difficulties with this here: https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/mayors-plans-to-protect-london-from-putin-allies
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@yo-its-me saidThanks YIM.
1) That's because you haven't seen the Green's plans. It's a whole new structure of spending. Obviously, there will be a need to recruit more teachers, that's the only way to meet the Green's objectives.
2) Based on seeing the policies of other parties. To be fair the Greens' is the one I have properly read, the others not so much. Have you read a policy from another party ...[text shortened]... e: https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/mayors-plans-to-protect-london-from-putin-allies
Let’s see how the Greens do.
Have a good weekend.
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@yo-its-me
Hey, on another note, looking at your profile you mentioned Rosenberg, first I ever heard of him.
Glad you turned me on to him, he is clearly one of the great ones!.
Sorry I don't know much about British politics though.
I am a musician and have a lot of tracks on soundcloud but I am only an instrumentalist not a singer, I serve the musical community best by NOT singing🙂