@wildgrass saidYou evaded my question.
Well that's false causality, you've used that one before. A court paying a settlement does not mean the vaccine caused the autism.
The data I pointed is millions of data points, not an anecdote. Millions of people get a vaccine, millions of other people don't get a vaccine. The rate of autism between these two groups of people is exactly the same. Therefore, vaccines do not cause autism.
Why wont you answer my question?
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@wildgrass saidNow ask if it’s filtered or cleaned in any way before being released or if it goes directly into water sources. You left that out?
Google Gemini said that data centers either consume through evaporation or pollute 500 million gallons of water every day. Some might be getting better. Claude said most existing data centers using old method are consuming/polluting and taxing the electrical grid. Would you support shutting down the ones that are polluting, and if they can show they are not polluting then they can continue operation?
How the Waste Water is Handled Sent to the City:
The majority of data centers flush their wastewater into the local sewer system. The city's industrial wastewater facilities then filter out the chemicals and heavy minerals before releasing the water back into rivers or lakes. On-Site Pre-Treatment: Some data centers use on-site filtration systems (like reverse osmosis or pH neutralization) to clean the water before it leaves their property. This reduces the burden on city infrastructure. On-Site Recycling: Leading facilities are beginning to install advanced filtration loops to recycle 50% to 80% of their own blowdown water, using it over and over again to cool the servers before any of it is discharged
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@wildgrass
Your assertion that the non vaccinated are just as likely to get autism is irrelevant. For every study you post saying that, I can post a study that says differently. Then we will be back to how to determine which study is true and which is false. Your assertion is in reality inconclusive.
Do you think there is a difference between "vaccine caused autism" and "autism resulted from the vaccine"? Yes or no?
You created a thread about logical fallacies and instead of confronting the very subject you brought up you evaded my question several times because you know they are the same thing. You would like to say no, but you know I would ask you to explain why and you would have to do so "logically" to avoid looking like a fool on your own thread.
You don't want to say yes because you would have to admit the vaccine court fraudulently gave funds to someone that was not harmed by a vaccine. No matter how you answer the vaccine court did something wrong. That is why you keep evading my question. Right?
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@Metal-Brain saidI did answer your question.
You evaded my question.
Why wont you answer my question?
@Metal-Brain saidVaccines do not cause autism.
@wildgrass
Your assertion that the non vaccinated are just as likely to get autism is irrelevant. For every study you post saying that, I can post a study that says differently. Then we will be back to how to determine which study is true and which is false. Your assertion is in reality inconclusive.
Do you think there is a difference between "vaccine caused autism" ...[text shortened]... w you answer the vaccine court did something wrong. That is why you keep evading my question. Right?
Debunked BS.
God damn.
How can this even still be a bloody debate.
Same goes for data centres. They use extreme amounts of energy and water. It’s a known fact.
Yes, they can clean up to 90% of the water used, that’s still 10% unusable. And with droughts every bloody Summer, that’s not a good thing.
People are already whining about wind turbines everywhere. What do you think when there’s Chernobyls dotted around the bloody countryside, just so people can use AI to make rude pictures and cheat at homework?
Bloody morons.
@wildgrass
Compound Question/Assertion: an apparently simple question/assertion often contains or conceals assumptions, such that no matter whether one answers with a 'yes' or a 'no', 'true' or 'false', the assumptions are tacitly granted.
The classic examples from elementary logic are: "The present King of France is bald." If you answer either 'true' or 'false', you tacitly grant a falsehood, namely, that there is a present King of France. Similarly: "Have you stopped beating your wife?" If you answer either 'yes' or 'no', you tacitly confirm that a) you have a wife, and b) you beat her (past tense). The correct response, of course, is to reject the question.
One sees this fallacy quite often in discussions about Trump and TDS.
@shavixmir saidWhy? Because studies funded by big pharma told you they do not? It is well known that people tend to get the results they want because of bias. In fact, they corrupted their own studies to try to get the results they wanted and one study said the unvaccinated were MORE likely to get autism than the vaccinated. An absurd conclusion.
Vaccines do not cause autism.
Debunked BS.
God damn.
How can this even still be a bloody debate.
Same goes for data centres. They use extreme amounts of energy and water. It’s a known fact.
Yes, they can clean up to 90% of the water used, that’s still 10% unusable. And with droughts every bloody Summer, that’s not a good thing.
People are already whining about ...[text shortened]... ountryside, just so people can use AI to make rude pictures and cheat at homework?
Bloody morons.
Show me a graph representing the increase in autism diagnosis. About what year did it increase?
Then show me what your big pharma studies say causes autism.
@wildgrass saidYou know you did not. Answer the question.
I did answer your question.
Do you think there is a difference between "vaccine caused autism" and "autism resulted from the vaccine"? Yes or no?
@shavixmir saidCDC Researcher Credited With Debunking Autism-Vaccine Link to Plead Guilty to Fraud
Vaccines do not cause autism.
Debunked BS.
God damn.
How can this even still be a bloody debate.
Same goes for data centres. They use extreme amounts of energy and water. It’s a known fact.
Yes, they can clean up to 90% of the water used, that’s still 10% unusable. And with droughts every bloody Summer, that’s not a good thing.
People are already whining about ...[text shortened]... ountryside, just so people can use AI to make rude pictures and cheat at homework?
Bloody morons.
https://pjmedia.com/benbartee/2026/08/28/leading-cdc-researcher-investigating-autism-vaccine-link-to-plead-guilty-to-fraud-n4956637
Show me your source of information. What scientific studies are you reading?
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@moonbus saidIt's a type of circular reasoning, I think. Did Dominion fix their rigged voting machines?
@wildgrass
Compound Question/Assertion: an apparently simple question/assertion often contains or conceals assumptions, such that no matter whether one answers with a 'yes' or a 'no', 'true' or 'false', the assumptions are tacitly granted.
The classic examples from elementary logic are: "The present King of France is bald." If you answer either 'true' or 'false', you ...[text shortened]... is to reject the question.
One sees this fallacy quite often in discussions about Trump and TDS.
Yeah or no, the answer assumes something that was never shown. Pretty much anything from the MAGA realm about Hunter Biden's laptop or immigration or our system of voting can fit into this fallacy.
@wildgrass saidWhat studies? Who funded those studies?
This is the anecdotal generalization fallacy. One persons experience does not necessarily validate a connection like that.
There are millions of vaccinated people and millions of unvaccinated people. Studies have shown that there is no difference in the rate of autism between these two groups. That seems like very strong evidence to me that vaccines don't cause autism.
Show me your source of information.
@wildgrass said"Did Dominion fix their rigged voting machines?" is an example of a compound question, but it's not the same as circular reasoning.
It's a type of circular reasoning, I think. Did Dominion fix their rigged voting machines?
Yeah or no, the answer assumes something that was never shown. Pretty much anything from the MAGA realm about Hunter Biden's laptop or immigration or our system of voting can fit into this fallacy.
An example of circular reasoning would be Descartes' claims that 1) anything he clearly and distinctly conceives must be true, and 2) he clearly and distinctly conceives that God is not a deceiver, therefore, 3) God will not let him be deceived that anything he clearly and distinctly conceives must be true.
I agree that a lot of claims made by Trump make assumptions not shown to be true, and in many cases make assumptions which have been debunked. Still, he repeats them when challenged. He knows they are lies, he knows we know they are lies, and still he lies. This is beyond mere logical fallacies; this is part and parcel of the authoritarian playbook. The purpose of all these lies is not that people come to believe this or that specific falsehood ("the election was stolen", "it will be over by Easter", "only I can fix it", "Mexico will pay for the wall" ), but that truth as such becomes irrelevant. When truth as such becomes irrelevant, people can be induced to put their neighbors into concentration camps with a clear conscience. One cannot break this cycle by merely exposing logical fallacies; one has to go to the barricades and run the bustards out of power.
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@moonbus said"He knows they are lies, he knows we know they are lies, and still he lies."
"Did Dominion fix their rigged voting machines?" is an example of a compound question, but it's not the same as circular reasoning.
An example of circular reasoning would be Descartes' claims that 1) anything he clearly and distinctly conceives must be true, and 2) he clearly and distinctly conceives that God is not a deceiver, therefore, 3) God will not let him be deceive ...[text shortened]... erely exposing logical fallacies; one has to go to the barricades and run the bustards out of power.
This requires mind reading. I am not saying you are wrong. I am just saying it is impossible to know he doesn't believe the election was stolen. Hillary Clinton said the election was stolen from her. Did she know that was a lie? Does she know we know she lied?
https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/26/four-years-later-bitter-hillary-clinton-claims-2016-election-was-stolen-from-her/
Perhaps they are both lying so that when an election really is stolen nobody will believe it. Because both sides cried wolf about it.
The Antrim County Forensics Report written by Russell James Ramsland, Jr. from Allied Security Operations Group stated Dominion voting machines were designed to rig the vote count. Democrats say that it is a pack of lies, but Dominion did not sue Ramsland for defamation. Whenever I ask why Dominion did not sue Ramsland if it is ideed a pack of lies the best they have is Fox had more money, but Dominion sued several individual people that have far less money than Fox as well.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20423772-antrim-county-forensics-report/
How do you know Ramsland lied in the report above? There is another report that completely contradicts Ramsland's report. How do you know that other report is not a pack of lies? You don't. Nobody does. But that does not stop people from claiming they know. How do you know? Can you admit you do not know? Wild Grass cannot admit that he has a mere opinion without evidence. I didn't want to believe Ramsland's report so he believes what he wants to be true. Like religious people believe what they want to without evidence. It is called faith.
@Rajk999 saidOh, so it has nothing to do with the availability of water where one data center can use more water than the entire town it is near. One of them is actually constructing a nuclear power supply, 1000 megawatts or more and of course needs cooling water and THAT water WILL be contaminated with radioactives. But who cares, its ALL about business, right, collateral damage.
Lets start calling out then ... You first. Here is a strawman you posted : We have enough. They're driving up the price of electricity and polluting all the clean water.
This in your words is an example of, Misrepresenting or exaggerating an argument to make it easier to condemn or refute.
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@wildgrass saidWOW! You still believe Hunter's laptop is not real? You are making a fool of yourself on your own thread.
It's a type of circular reasoning, I think. Did Dominion fix their rigged voting machines?
Yeah or no, the answer assumes something that was never shown. Pretty much anything from the MAGA realm about Hunter Biden's laptop or immigration or our system of voting can fit into this fallacy.
https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/testimony-reveals-fbi-employees-who-warned-social-media-companies-about-hack
How do you know Ramsland's report was a fallacy? You don't. You just chose to not believe it. Dominion never sued him. Dominion does not even exist anymore. Liberty Vote bought Dominion. I know you don't want to believe this, but Dominion had a horrible reputation. Their voting machines were plagued with flaws. You would find that out if you ever had a desire to look into it.