...Hollywood dupes desperately searching for meaning?
I notice that quite a number of Hollywood types proudly wear the moniker "activist" after their name. For instance: Barbara Streisand, Robert Redford, Alec Baldwin, Martin Sheen, George Clooney, Susan Surandan, Mrs. Surandan (Tim Robbins), Leonardo DiCaprio and Jeff Spicolli are all well-known Hollywood "activists." Topic: Are these Hollywood types making a difference, or are they just dupes of the Social Darwinists who control banking and media and want to usher in a one-world government by bringing about the downfall of the United States?
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterTell us what you really think Dsr
...Hollywood dupes desperately searching for meaning?
I notice that quite a number of Hollywood types proudly wear the moniker "activist" after their name. For instance: Barbara Streisand, Robert Redford, Alec Baldwin, Martin Sheen, George Clooney, Susan Surandan, Mrs. Surandan (Tim Robbins), Leonardo DiCaprio and Jeff Spicolli are all well-kn ...[text shortened]... want to usher in a one-world government by bringing about the downfall of the United States?
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterPlease explain the path of logic that cycles from Susan S. protesting the Iraq invasion, to the downfall of the United States due to an All-world government taking over after secret media and banking officials dupe us all into protesting.
You know what I think -- I want to know what you think.
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterThey probably are making a difference (one way or another), and everything after your comma is probably nonsense.
Topic: Are these Hollywood types making a difference, or are they just dupes of the Social Darwinists who control banking and media and want to usher in a one-world government by bringing about the downfall of the United States?
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterYou forgot Whoppi Goldberg, Robin Williams and Oliver Stone.
...Hollywood dupes desperately searching for meaning?
I notice that quite a number of Hollywood types proudly wear the moniker "activist" after their name. For instance: Barbara Streisand, Robert Redford, Alec Baldwin, Martin Sheen, George Clooney, Susan Surandan, Mrs. Surandan (Tim Robbins), Leonardo DiCaprio and Jeff Spicolli are all well-kn ...[text shortened]... want to usher in a one-world government by bringing about the downfall of the United States?
But they are all liberals, so what do you think they are going to say about issues. Some are blatant hypocrites too, George Clooney for example. He is against American troops in Iraq, but he advocated sending American troops to Dafur ... where there are obviously strong and vital US interests.
Its sort of the same with Tibet and what China is doing there . In your other thread you have people saying we don't want to upset the Olympics (and by association the Red Chinese) by protesting or suggesting that the Olympics be boycotted.
If the situation were different though and say it was the United States acting as the Chinese are in say Puerto Rico, liberals (including the ones that post here) would be screeching and wailing and gnashing teeth that the whole world should boycott the Olympics in the US
In short, what I'm saying is, we will always have the Blame America First crowd with us, whether they reside in foreign countries or in Hollywood ... they been around for decades,
I'll now move to the center of the room(figuratively) so they can all verbally 'stone' the evil, heartless,souless conservative .... I'm sure some would like to do it in actuality ..... and then they';d call it compassion
Originally posted by SMSBear716Excellent post SMSBear716 -- exactly the sort of analysis I anticipated when I started this topic.
You forgot Whoppi Goldberg, Robin Williams and Oliver Stone.
But they are all liberals, so what do you think they are going to say about issues. Some are blatant hypocrites too, George Clooney for example. He is against American troops in Iraq, but he advocated sending American troops to Dafur ... where there are obviously strong and vital US interest ...[text shortened]... I'm sure some would like to do it in actuality ..... and then they';d call it compassion
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterDupes, clearly. Now tell me more about these sinister SDs (don't think I didn't catch the subtle Nazi connotation!). Can you name any names?
Topic: Are these Hollywood types making a difference, or are they just dupes of the Social Darwinists who control banking and media and want to usher in a one-world government by bringing about the downfall of the United States?
Originally posted by der schwarze Ritterwell, as long as nothing REALLY happens, they don't have to worry about what they say, just reap in the points for saying it.
...Hollywood dupes desperately searching for meaning?
I notice that quite a number of Hollywood types proudly wear the moniker "activist" after their name. For instance: Barbara Streisand, Robert Redford, Alec Baldwin, Martin Sheen, George Clooney, Susan Surandan, Mrs. Surandan (Tim Robbins), Leonardo DiCaprio and Jeff Spicolli are all well-kn want to usher in a one-world government by bringing about the downfall of the United States?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Geldof#Criticism_of_Live_8
Criticism of Live 8
Although part of the campaign "Make Poverty History" (MPH), Live 8 was then accused of hijacking MPH by planning its concerts on the same day as the giant MPH march in Edinburgh, which was said to be the biggest social justice march in Scottish history.
Geldof was also criticised for the lack of African acts performing at Live 8, however, Geldof responded that only the biggest-selling artists would attract the huge audience required to capture the attention of the world in the run-up to the G8 meeting. Geldof added that there was insufficient public interest in African music among the concert's target markets in Europe and the United States. Including African artists at the expense of recognised artists would have been tokenist, he said, and would have undermined the effect of the concert.
In the lead-up to the G8 summit, Geldof who had been a member of Tony Blair's Commission for Africa on which the Gleneagles recommendations were largely based, labelled critics of the summit 'a disgrace'. Some leading African campaigners have asked Geldof to stand down from the global anti-poverty movement, and the New Internationalist (between January and February 2006) said 'It would be long overdue if he did.'
There were also accusations that Live 8 gave unqualified support to the personal and political agendas of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, particularly in the lead up to an election. Though many felt that it was the British politicians who had accepted Geldof's agenda, rather than the other way round, this led to accusations that Geldof had compromised his cause.[12] In contrast with the media support given to Live Aid, Live 8 was subject to criticism by some sections of the media.
The promises made for Africa at the Gleneagles summit, were widely praised: 'the greatest summit for Africa ever' (Kofi Annan), 'an important, if incomplete, boost to the development prospects of the poorest countries' economist (Jeffrey Sachs) or 'a major breakthrough on debt' (Kevin Wakins, until recently head of research at Oxfam). But many aid agencies pronounced their disappointment with the outcome, feeling that the strict conditions imposed on African countries for accepting debt relief left them little better off than before. Some cynics have claimed that Live 8 had been more about rehabilitating the careers of aging rock stars, including Geldof himself, than it was about the poor people of Africa. However, Geldof has made no attempt to revive his music career, somewhat disproving this accusation. However, the New Internationalist points out that since becoming prominent in the salvation of Africa, "Geldof has re-released the entire back catalogue of the Boomtown Rats, " [3]
Oasis's Noel Gallagher became one of the more vocal skeptics about the impact of Live 8, citing his belief that rock stars are not as influencing over world leaders as popular culture may believe. His explanation was "Correct me if I'm wrong, but are they hoping that one of these guys from the G8 is on a quick 15-minute break at Gleneagles and sees Annie Lennox singing "Sweet Dreams" and thinks, 'F--- me, she might have a point there, you know?' And Keane doing "Somewhere Only We Know" and some Japanese businessman going, 'Aw, look at him… we should really f---ing drop that debt, you know.' It's not going to happen, is it?"
Originally posted by SMSBear716While you may well be right about how tiresome it is to see so-called Hollywood "liberals" strutting, preening and fulminating, George Clooney's stance over Iraq is not an example of hypocrisy. I think perhaps you are misusing the word. He may be guilty of inconsistency or confusion or ignorance or naivety or blowing his own trumpet, that's for anyone and everyone to judge, but his "error" - as you would have it - is not hypocrisy.
Some are blatant hypocrites too, George Clooney for example. He is against American troops in Iraq, but he advocated sending American troops to Dafur ... where there are obviously strong and vital US interests.
For him to be a hypocrite he would need, for example, to be assisting the American military action in Iraq in some way - possibly secretly - while publicly condemning it. To look at two separate crises and propose two separate solutions is surely more likely to be attempted pragmatism - which is definitely the kind of thing you advocate (judging by your posts on most things, and because pragmatism is central to the conservative mindset), even if you find his pragmatism misguided or his ideas weak.
You can point to the error of his ways, for sure. You might even characterize Clooney as being out of his depth or of being smug. But to accuse him of hypocrisy, I think, misses the mark.
Originally posted by Dace AceYou're absolutely right. And the same goes for maybe 80-90% 0f politicians. It is intrinsic to the nature of politics. It's a kind of show business perhaps. And show business is a kind of politics...
I feel they do it for the attention. Their vanity demands it.
...Kevin Costner, Clint Eastwood, Bruce Willis, Tim Robbins, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Robert Duvall, Whoopi Goldberg, Jack Nicholson, Mel Gibson, Chuck Norris, Alec Baldwin, James Woods, Adam Sandler, Charlton Heston (RIP), Kelsey Grammer, Sean Penn, Drew Carey, Tom Selleck, Bo Derek, Ronald Reagan (RIP)...
Uppity actors left, right and centre.
I don't think any defender of free speech would condemn activism per se, would they? Ideas and beliefs might strike you as abhorrent or even 'dangerous', you might even try to avoid any kind of genuine, intellectually responsible dialogue about solutions, principles, ideas by tritely dismissing people you disagree with as "dupes" (whether they be of the left or right variety) but - in a free, pluralistic society - the timidity or passivity of some does not turn the activism of others into a fault. Surely?
Originally posted by der schwarze Ritterby activist, do you mean someone like...oh I don't know...Charlton Heston, or The Governator?
...Hollywood dupes desperately searching for meaning?
I notice that quite a number of Hollywood types proudly wear the moniker "activist" after their name. For instance: Barbara Streisand, Robert Redford, Alec Baldwin, Martin Sheen, George Clooney, Susan Surandan, Mrs. Surandan (Tim Robbins), Leonardo DiCaprio and Jeff Spicolli are all well-kn ...[text shortened]... want to usher in a one-world government by bringing about the downfall of the United States?