@kazetnagorra saidIt's transparently laughable to put all these things in the same category
You have admitted reading both VDARE and American Renaissance, both frothing-at-the-mouth white supremacist publications.
@kazetnagorra saidIt'd be impossible to find the numbers on hate hoaxes as they occur on the day to day.... But the number of famous cases that I've seen be proven hoaxes is greater than the number of times I've seen them come out to be real.
Victims of Hate Crime Incidents
There were 7,036 single-bias incidents involving 8,646 victims. A percent distribution of victims by bias type shows that 59.6 percent of victims were targeted because of the offenders’ race/ethnicity/ancestry bias; 18.7 percent were targeted because of the offenders’ religious bias; 16.7 percent were victimized because of the offenders ...[text shortened]... motivation would you have for attempting to minimize the scale of hate crimes in the U.S., I wonder?
I would assume that there's just as many fakr accusations of racism and other faked events that we never hear about.
I've even witnessed a hate hoax that was never reported. My black friend was playing a prank on one of his buddies by shouting the N word (hard R) every time he walked by his apartment (they lived near each other) and was then laughing secretly each time his buddy complained to him about some unknown racist yelling the n word at him. Honestly, it was pretty funny.
@kazetnagorra saidThe WSJ endorses racists?
Given the WSJ's endorsement of conspiracy theories and racists, I would say it is a questionable publication though not a white supremacist one.
Could you elaborate?
@philokalia saidThis type of anecdotal "hold yer breath until you turn blue" is typical of right wing arguments. There isn't even an attempt to quantify their automatic suspicion of any minority who says they are a victim of a hate crime; they just won't believe it, period.
It'd be impossible to find the numbers on hate hoaxes as they occur on the day to day.... But the number of famous cases that I've seen be proven hoaxes is greater than the number of times I've seen them come out to be real.
I would assume that there's just as many fakr accusations of racism and other faked events that we never hear about.
I've even witnessed a hate ...[text shortened]... omplained to him about some unknown racist yelling the n word at him. Honestly, it was pretty funny.
It is most atypical in almost all other cases of crime for people to automatically be skeptical of victims reporting except perhaps for rape.
@no1marauder saidYou obviously didn't read the WSJ article, it WAS an attempt to quantify the suspicion of hate crime claims.
This type of anecdotal "hold yer breath until you turn blue" is typical of right wing arguments. There isn't even an attempt to quantify their automatic suspicion of any minority who says they are a victim of a hate crime; they just won't believe it, period.
It is most atypical in almost all other cases of crime for people to automatically be skeptical of victims reporting except perhaps for rape.
The author investigated 350 at random and found almost 70% were bogus.
@dood111 saidI've read material on the propaganda book that is being discussed; rather than do any type of actual research using official police records, the author selectively pulled out news articles.
You obviously didn't read the WSJ article, it WAS an attempt to quantify the suspicion of hate crime claims.
The author investigated 350 at random and found almost 70% were bogus.
If I had tried that as an undergrad Poly Sci student, I would have gotten a well deserved "F" but because his "results" fit into the right wing narrative, he got showtime on the usual media suspects.
@no1marauder saidSource?
I've read material on the propaganda book that is being discussed; rather than do any type of actual research using official police records, the author selectively pulled out news articles.
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@philokalia said"In Hoax, Professor Wilfred Reilly examines over one hundred widely publicized incidents of so-called hate crimes that never actually happened."
Source?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07F6RN7Y4/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
"Doing research for a book, Hate Crime Hoax, I was able to easily put together a data set of 409 confirmed hate hoaxes. An overlapping but substantially different list of 348 hoaxes exists at fakehatecrimes.org, and researcher Laird Wilcox put together another list of at least 300 in his still-contemporary book Crying Wolf. To put these numbers in context, a little over 7,000 hate crimes were reported by the FBI in 2017 and perhaps 8-10% of these are widely reported enough to catch the eye of a national researcher."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/02/22/jussie-smollett-empire-attack-fired-cut-video-chicago-fox-column/2950146002/
Lazy and unprofessional. His "data set" of 400 cases was over an 8 year period:
Reilly put together a data set of more than 400 confirmed cases of fake allegations that were reported to authorities between 2010 and 2017.
https://www.thetimesnews.com/opinion/20200409/williams-many-manipulated-with-racism-hoaxes
How many hate crimes are there in the US?:
"On average, U.S. residents experienced approximately
250,000 hate crime victimizations each year between
2004 and 2015, of which about 230,000 were violent hate victimizations."
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hcv0415.pdf
So about 2 million hate crimes by victimization studies and Mr. Reading the Papers found 400 he says were false.
@philokalia saidPerhaps that’s a number you should be researching instead of basing your argument on such idle speculation?
I don't know... Like, five hate hoaxes for every hate crime...?
@philokalia saidNo1 just squashed you.
Another fun hate hoax, also just came across it in the last couple of days
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1282679248998797312?s=19
Give up.
Nearly three weeks after an alleged racist attack on a biracial woman in Downtown Madison, police and the woman’s family are saying little to nothing about whether the authorities are any closer to identifying the perpetrators.
...
Unlike in other unsolved cases, police have not released any images from surveillance cameras that might have recorded the attack or the assailants.
https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/crime-and-courts/police-family-saying-little-about-investigation-of-alleged-hate-crime/article_19d1508e-2916-54bf-9b86-bb662d9447b6.html
@no1marauder saidWhere's the criticism?
"In Hoax, Professor Wilfred Reilly examines over one hundred widely publicized incidents of so-called hate crimes that never actually happened."
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07F6RN7Y4/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
"Doing research for a book, Hate Crime Hoax, I was able to easily put together a data set of 409 confirmed hate hoaxes. An overlapping but su ...[text shortened]... illion hate crimes by victimization studies and Mr. Reading the Papers found 400 he says were false.
That he used famous cases that reached newspapers which could be researched?
Is it your contention that the newspapers just don't report on the REAL hate crimes?