Originally posted by StarValleyWySpeaking of laws...animal cruelty is now a FELONY crime in over 30 states! You can not do as you please with animals...recently three pig farmers who beat them mercilessly and brutally killed thier pigs were sentanced three years in jail...Austria just passed a historic animal cruelty law where you can be charged over $18,000 in fines for animal cruelty...many many countries have laws that state that you can not do as you please with animals.
I don't research whether I have dominion over animals. It is self evident. I can own them and do as I please with them. That is the law, in case you missed it.
Again, what century do you live in??? Get with the times...
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Originally posted by Remora91Barking is a dog's means of communicating many feelings-fear, frustration, pain, boredom, or even happiness. Debarking is a cruel procedure which strips dogs of their natural ability to vocalize and communicate. Depriving them of their primary means of expression is unjustifiably cruel.
Sangeeta, we have a neighboor who has two stunning pit bulls. Sadly, she got them debarked. Do you have anything to say why thats wrong?
Debarking is an invasive surgical procedure that involves removing a large amount of laryngeal tissue. It involves a great deal of pain post-operatively. Because this procedure is superfluous and inherently cruel, many veterinarians condemn and refuse to perform it.
So at this point I don't know what you can say to your neighbour, but if you know of anyone who wants to do this, please tell them not to and to find alternatives to debarking-- there are plenty of resources online.
Originally posted by SangeetaI live in the present. I can legally own animals and do with them as I please. True?
Speaking of laws...animal cruelty is now a FELONY crime in over 30 states! You can not do as you please with animals...recently three pig farmers who beat them mercilessly and brutally killed thier pigs were sentanced three years in jail...Austria just passed a historic animal cruelty law where you can be charged over $18,000 in fines for animal cruelty...m ...[text shortened]... t do as you please with animals.
Again, what century do you live in??? Get with the times...
What is your long term goal? Will you admit that you wish to make farming animals illegal? Do you deny that you want to make it illegal to eat meat from animals? Or to use animal products?
I didn't say I could mistreat animals. But I can slaughter and consume them if I own them. Kind of a sticky wicket what?
If you had your way, would I not be subject to arrest and death? Strange religion you got going there your high priestness. Weird too.
Study the laws of man. Then the laws of nature. You will find that animals are for mans use by both sets of appropriate law. You will lose this one. Or civilization will end. I really don't much care at this point. Seems hardly worth pursuing an attempt at civilization when cultists like you are obviously going to rule the world soon.
Blah! I hate religion! And stupidity. And twits who think that by meditating they are being mysterious. Silly. To give them the benefit of the doubt.
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Originally posted by StarValleyWytrying to be civilized by acting uncivilized hardly seems to be a logical course of action.
Seems hardly worth pursuing an attempt at civilization when cultists like you are obviously going to rule the world soon.
that's no doubt the conclusion the people who enacted the anticruelty laws came to, which is why they are there and despite opposition from certain individuals and groups, continue to become stricter.
if people are allowed to do as they please as you suggest, then they can also mistreat animals, which is why people aren't allowed to do as they please.
in friendship,
prad
Originally posted by pradtfHi reverend. I was just chatting with your high priest.
trying to be civilized by acting uncivilized hardly seems to be a logical course of action.
that's no doubt the conclusion the people who enacted the anticruelty laws came to, which is why they are there and despite opposition from certain individuals and groups, continue to become stricter.
if people are allowed to do as they please as you suggest, then t ...[text shortened]... treat animals, which is why people aren't allowed to do as they please.
in friendship,
prad
So then farming animals will be allowed in your glorious animal worshipping utopia?
Please try to answer. It is a simple question.
YES OR NO, YOUR EXCELLENCY! Can there be animal farmers and consumers in your glorious future?
A farmer sells and or slaughters his crop. It is as he pleases, your excellency. True or false? Is it illegal? No. Do you want it to be punishable by death? Yes. What a crock! You guys are reallly something.
Gutless buggers. Yes Or No? Answer if you dare. Lock up animal farmers and dairy farmers? You don't have the guts to answer do you.
Thought not. Why am I again wasting time on you religious zealots!?
You get all the idiots by default. So welcome to them.
Originally posted by steerpikeso before i continue this discussion with you, i would like to get a couple of things straight since i am confused by the fluctuating nature of your comments.
I think they would really welcome some criticism from someone as knowledgable as you. After all, there are 30 million sheep out there being brutally abused in their own backard and they have not noticed - they must be the slow ones in the aninal rights movement.
i acknowledge that you do not condone cruelty because you have said so and some of your other posts in the past on different subjects would seem to verify this.
what i don't understand is why you refuse to give any credence to what dissident dan and sangeeta have written regarding the barbaric practises that are widespread in the industry and affect far vaster numbers of sheep than the small operations you are presumably engaged in.
i do not doubt that you may be kind to the animals you shear, but why is it so difficult for you to acknowledge that the other stuff really does happen. do you think that
1) the people who created the website fabricated the information
2) that one shouldn't believe it because it is on a website
3) it doesn't happen because in your experience it hasn't happened
4) that people have to see it happening before they make statements about it
i would like clarification from you so i don't make unwarranted assumptions before continuing.
in friendship,
prad
Originally posted by StarValleyWywell this is what i mean by uncivilized behaviour not being the way to civilization.
Gutless buggers. Yes Or No? Answer if you dare. Lock up animal farmers and dairy farmers? You don't have the guts to answer do you.
the first step is to stop the cruel practises in animal farming. as people's awareness grows obviously the use of animals will decrease.
the only people who will be locked up will be those who violate the law - and that law will gradually be changed to prevent exploitation of animals.
so if you want further clarification on my answer, just ask. i'll be up a while longer.
in friendship,
prad
Originally posted by pradtfYou coward! Never will answer Yes Or No... will you. Coward. God I hate religion! Zealots, Zealots everywhere and not a thought to think!
well this is what i mean by uncivilized behaviour not being the way to civilization.
the first step is to stop the cruel practises in animal farming. as people's awareness grows obviously the use of animals will decrease.
the only people who will be locked up will be those who violate the law - and that law will gradually be changed to prevent exploitatio ...[text shortened]... urther clarification on my answer, just ask. i'll be up a while longer.
in friendship,
prad
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Originally posted by StarValleyWyhere i'll repeat it for you then:
You coward! Never will answer Yes Or No... will you. Coward. God I hate religion! Zealots, Zealots everywhere and not a thought to think!
the only people who will be locked up will be those who violate the law - and that law will gradually be changed to prevent exploitation of animals.
(well that is what has been happening and will continue it seems)
hope that clears things up for you somewhat.
in friendship,
prad
Originally posted by pradtfYes or no? Legal to farm animals in your future utopia?
here i'll repeat it for you then:
the only people who will be locked up will be those who violate the law - and that law will gradually be changed to prevent exploitation of animals.
hope that clears things up for you somewhat.
in friendship,
prad
Will you make it illegal if you get your cult spread out and in charge of the world?
Two simple words. Yes. No.
Which mr. kind to all? Concentrate. You can do it. But will you? No. You are a coward. You are not ready to go against church doctrine. It is to gradually gain control. Isn't it.
Yes. No. Come on and answer. Force yourself.... click your red slippers together and think "yes or no... which is it?"
Originally posted by StarValleyWyi see that you still haven't grasped the answer despite my repeating it.
Yes or no? Legal to farm animals in your future utopia?
Will you make it illegal if you get your cult spread out and in charge of the world?
Two simple words. Yes. No.
Which mr. kind to all? Concentrate. You can do it. But will you? No. You are a coward. You are not ready to go against church doctrine. It is to gradually gain control. Isn't it ...[text shortened]... wer. Force yourself.... click your red slippers together and think "yes or no... which is it?"
here is what one AR group's principles are:
animals deserve the most basic rights?consideration of their own best interests regardless of whether they are useful to humans. Like you, they are capable of suffering and have interests in leading their own lives; therefore, they are not ours to use?for food, clothing, entertainment, or experimentation, or for any other reason.
(admittedly, all AR groups do not subscribe to this extent, but that's ok)
surely you can see my answer now.
in friendship,
prad
Originally posted by pradtfI am pointing out to you the concept of Taboo. You have been forbidden from overtly stating "Yes Or No" to the poser i put onto you. I read your training manuals you see. Didn't you?
i see that you still haven't grasped the answer despite my repeating it.
here is what one AR group's principles are:
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animals deserve the most basic rights?consideration of their own best interests regardless of whether they are useful to humans. Like you, they are capable of suffering and have interests in leading their own lives; therefore, they ...[text shortened]... ibe to this extent, but that's ok)
surely you can see my answer now.
in friendship,
prad
I want you to know that by following "Taboo" you are proving my point.
The simple way around it is to just say "Yes. We will lock up and imprison animal farmers when we come to power." Can't do it eh?
Taboo. Religion. Cult. I have a big advantage on you there. I was raised in this crap. Takes a bit of doing to overcome taboo.