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  1. 24 Apr '15 11:48
    some information first:
    http://time.com/3770182/kansas-bill-constitutional-carry-concealed-guns/

    The Kansas State Rifle Association was supportive of the bill. A statement on its website reads: “the right to keep and bear arms is a natural, unalienable right protected by the Second Amendment and citizens should not have to go through burdensome and expensive hoops to exercise that right.”

    8 hous of training to use a gun is too burdensome for kansasanians. so it was shrinked to 0.

    But enough with that law. I don't want to discuss that law. i would like to hear from you of other permits that DO require some training.
  2. 24 Apr '15 11:54
    i will go first:

    from the same wonderful state:
    http://www.accesskansas.org/kboc/CosmoStatsandRegs.htm#65-1905
    Statutes and Regulations relating to Cosmetology, Nail Technology, Esthetics, and Electrology.

    "65-1905. Examinations; qualifications of applicants; temporary permit.

    (a) All examinations held or conducted by the board shall be in accordance with rules and regulations adopted by the board. The examinations shall include a written test administered at the completion of 1,000 [ONE THOUSAND] hours of training. "

    it takes 1000 hours to be considered worthy to be EXAMINED for a permit to apply hot wax to remove hair from someone's anus.
    i agree. it is quite a complicated process. it is important you know how to do it, because someone might get hurt. just in case it is unclear, i am STILL talking about applying hot wax to someone's anus, not using a death dealing device intended to deal deaths. we already know that requires 0 hours of training.
  3. 24 Apr '15 12:37
    The Art Institutes International — Kansas City

    http://new.artinstitutes.edu/kansas-city/Programs/Baking-and-Pastry/3062

    Baking & Pastry Diploma

    The general objectives for the program are:

    • Demonstrate knife skills, appropriate use and care of equipment, selection of appropriate cooking techniques and other recipe preparation skills to successfully follow directions orally and from recipes.
    • Plan, prepare, produce, and professionally present dishes while consistently maintaining a safe and sanitary work environment as defined by HACCP standards.
    • Describe and perform tasks related to common business practices for a commercial bakery or bakery-café including planning, cost control, food purchasing and inventory.
    • Produce a wide variety of artisan breads, pastries and plated desserts.
    • Create sugar, chocolate and pastillage centerpieces.
    • Produce complex pastries and cakes involving multiple skills and techniques.


    i bet the time required to get this diploma is non-zero.
  4. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    24 Apr '15 18:00 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    some information first:
    http://time.com/3770182/kansas-bill-constitutional-carry-concealed-guns/

    The Kansas State Rifle Association was supportive of the bill. A statement on its website reads: “the right to keep and bear arms is a natural, unalienable right protected by the Second Amendment and citizens should not have to go through burdensome and expe ...[text shortened]... discuss that law. i would like to hear from you of other permits that DO require some training.
    The Kansas State lawmakers are facing a massive budget shortfall due to their tax cutting mania, and they are focusing on carrying guns around? Typical red state mentality...

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/11/13/kansas_budget_crisis_thanks_to_republican_tax_cuts_the_state_can_t_pay_its.html
  5. 25 Apr '15 01:38
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    i will go first:

    from the same wonderful state:
    http://www.accesskansas.org/kboc/CosmoStatsandRegs.htm#65-1905
    Statutes and Regulations relating to Cosmetology, Nail Technology, Esthetics, and Electrology.

    "65-1905. Examinations; qualifications of applicants; temporary permit.

    (a) All examinations held or conducted by the board shall be in accor ...[text shortened]... death dealing device intended to deal deaths. we already know that requires 0 hours of training.
    There is no "natural right" to be hairless, or any constitutional protection for practitioners. Licensing seems reasonable.
  6. 25 Apr '15 01:40
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    The Art Institutes International — Kansas City

    http://new.artinstitutes.edu/kansas-city/Programs/Baking-and-Pastry/3062

    Baking & Pastry Diploma

    The general objectives for the program are:

    • Demonstrate knife skills, appropriate use and care of equipment, selection of appropriate cooking techniques and other recipe preparation skills to successf ...[text shortened]... ng multiple skills and techniques.


    i bet the time required to get this diploma is non-zero.
    In Michigan, you have to pay about $250 to exercise you "right to keep and bear arms" in the form of a Concealed Pistol License. Licenses imply a privilege, not a right.
  7. 25 Apr '15 17:38
    Originally posted by normbenign
    There is no "natural right" to be hairless, or any constitutional protection for practitioners. Licensing seems reasonable.
    Unless you can point to a Smit&Wesson tree, there's no natural right to carry a boomstick, either.
  8. 25 Apr '15 21:28
    Originally posted by Shallow Blue
    Unless you can point to a Smit&Wesson tree, there's no natural right to carry a boomstick, either.
    There is a natural right to self defence. Anything denying that right is wrong, thus the 2nd amendment and the Kansas law. The user is foolish if they think that carrying a weapon without any skills is a good idea, but it isn't the State's function to define what is smart or foolish.
  9. 25 Apr '15 21:29 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by normbenign
    There is no "natural right" to be hairless, or any constitutional protection for practitioners. Licensing seems reasonable.
    yes, yes, invoking the "natural right" card. it is funny how the us seems to be the only other country to believe that is a natural right. (i might be mistaken, please let us know what other country thinks carrying a gun is a natural right)


    "i don't need to learn how to use a death device properly because it is my right to use that device"
  10. 25 Apr '15 21:33
    Originally posted by normbenign
    There is a natural right to self defence. Anything denying that right is wrong, thus the 2nd amendment and the Kansas law. The user is foolish if they think that carrying a weapon without any skills is a good idea, but it isn't the State's function to define what is smart or foolish.
    so the right to self defense is in fact a right. does that mean that you get to choose whatever you want to defend yourself with? should you get a tank?
  11. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    26 Apr '15 06:37
    Originally posted by normbenign
    There is a natural right to self defence. Anything denying that right is wrong, thus the 2nd amendment and the Kansas law. The user is foolish if they think that carrying a weapon without any skills is a good idea, but it isn't the State's function to define what is smart or foolish.
    Pro-gun and health care.

    Hahahaha
  12. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    26 Apr '15 07:48
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    yes, yes, invoking the "natural right" card. it is funny how the us seems to be the only other country to believe that is a natural right. (i might be mistaken, please let us know what other country thinks carrying a gun is a natural right)


    "i don't need to learn how to use a death device properly because it is my right to use that device"
    A country doesn't 'think' so there is no country that thinks one way or the other on this issue.
  13. 26 Apr '15 08:36
    Originally posted by normbenign
    There is a natural right to self defence. Anything denying that right is wrong, thus the 2nd amendment and the Kansas law. The user is foolish if they think that carrying a weapon without any skills is a good idea, but it isn't the State's function to define what is smart or foolish.
    So you think it is wrong that American citizens are not allowed to use nuclear missiles in self-defense?
  14. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    26 Apr '15 10:11
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Pro-gun and health care.

    Hahahaha
    That's supposed to read anti-health care...
  15. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    26 Apr '15 11:32
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    That's supposed to read anti-health care...
    You've been taking a leaf out of KN's book on misrepresentation shav, please don't take that road, it's borrrinnnngggg.

    Norm is not anti-healthcare, nor is anyone else.