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@AThousandYoung said
Why? You haven't given any examples.

You brought up Trump calling for murder. I pointed out calling people names like Nazi and like are examples of hate.

@KellyJay said
You brought up Trump calling for murder. I pointed out calling people names like Nazi and like are examples of hate.

You said "some" are calling for murder.

I know who "some" are. I also know Trump advocated for murder. If you are selectively ignorant because of your political bias then I can't help you.

If you had mentioned that it was "Estoy Dokusei" I would have out of courtesy reminded you that Trump recommended murdering the families of "terrorists" which Trump has decided includes a lot of Hispanic people who weren't "terrorists" until he said they were.

@AThousandYoung said
You said "some" are calling for murder.

I know who "some" are. I also know Trump advocated for murder. If you are selectively ignorant because of your political bias then I can't help you.

If you had mentioned that it was "Estoy Dokusei" I would have out of courtesy reminded you that Trump recommended murdering the families of "terrorists" which Trump has decided includes a lot of Hispanic people who weren't "terrorists" until he said they were.

Give me my quote you are referring to.

You specifically named Trimp you have a direct quote?

@KellyJay said
Give me my quote you are referring to.

You specifically named Trimp you have a direct quote?

Don't give me orders. Because of Brandolini's Law I will not spend time catering to your willful ignorance.

@Indonesia-Phil said
Okay so here's a question which I don't think has ever been satisfactorily answered in these forums. Your 'worldview' is seen through a prism of devout Christianity; you believe that your god created everything and therefore everybody. Ergo, according to your beliefs we are all 'god's creatures.' Given that, how do your political views become 'shaped' toward a politica ...[text shortened]... u support, seems to me and others to be a contradiction in terms; can you explain the contradiction?

Romans 13:1.


Nothing more to discuss.

@KellyJay said
Really you don’t view them flawed not flawed so you think they are good, bad, you accept all behavior equally without distinction?

Of course I do not accept all behavior without distinction. You leap to absurd and unwarranted conclusions.

Try to get your mind round an idea: given that every person on the planet is unique (including identical twins), each person is an indisputably perfect example of himself, and that if anyone tried to be someone else, then and only then would he be a flawed example of the someone else. Maybe then you could be more at peace with yourself and the rest of humanity.

@KellyJay said
So how do you know what the good side is? I have no idea what you mean when you say “MAGA”! What points do you think I support when you are suggesting “MAGA” that are bad? What lines are you referring to, again vague accusation no specifics.

When the right morn they don’t act out in rage so cities burn, I hope the right does not turn into what they claim to hate.

"So how do you know what the good side is"
I ask myself: does what i believe in hurt anyone? I ask myself does what i believe in increases happiness overall? Does what i believe in increases freedom for everyone?

I ask myself "Am I on the side that forces a 12 year old girl to go through pregnancy? No? then i must be on the good side"


"What points do you think I support when you are suggesting “MAGA” that are bad?"
Oh, the last 20 posts didn't happen, right? Let's repeat them because i have nothing better to do?

Why don't you look at all the Charlie Kirk points I and everybody else posted that you didn't find anything wrong with or "needed more context". You support those.

@Zahlanzi said
"So how do you know what the good side is"
I ask myself: does what i believe in hurt anyone? I ask myself does what i believe in increases happiness overall? Does what i believe in increases freedom for everyone?

I ask myself "Am I on the side that forces a 12 year old girl to go through pregnancy? No? then i must be on the good side"


"What points do you think I sup ...[text shortened]... dy else posted that you didn't find anything wrong with or "needed more context". You support those.

Twenty posts is a very vague thing without specifics. Come on, you say MAGA as if it's on its face everyone should know it’s evil, and I am asking what it is that you are saying when you say MAGA. Outside of Make America Great Again, what about it is bad? What is it about MAGA that doesn't increase freedom, doesn't increase happiness, and doesn't harm anyone?

You don’t think open borders were good, do you? Human trafficking, murders, rapes, and drugs coming into the country were causing death and destruction with gang activity. Were you against closing the border and getting people out of the country who came in illegally? Lots of pain and suffering were occurring, people died while coming in, and when they got here.

So I'm no closer to understanding your point of view about MAGA now than when you answered.

@moonbus said
Of course I do not accept all behavior without distinction. You leap to absurd and unwarranted conclusions.

Try to get your mind round an idea: given that every person on the planet is unique (including identical twins), each person is an indisputably perfect example of himself, and that if anyone tried to be someone else, then and only then would he be a flawed exa ...[text shortened]... e of the someone else. Maybe then you could be more at peace with yourself and the rest of humanity.

You are very vague and still have not answered my questions. Do you think there are only a select few bad people, or perhaps a select few who are good?

If you do not accept all behavior without distinction? So those same rules apply to everyone. Exactly what rules do you think everyone can be guilty of if they break them?

You are complaining about how I view the human race; I'm saying it isn't a small select group of us who do wrong. We as a race can be the victim, the oppressor, or a bystander. We are all capable of being each of these throughout all of our recorded history, and we have been all three. We can become the very thing we claim to hate.

Culture rage has started wars, brought about genocide, great evil can be done in the name of good, all of that because of the nature of man. You don’t accept that?

@KellyJay said
My beliefs discriminate? I believe God created people so better that others? You twist my beliefs, you cannot point to what I believe by things I have said the make those things true. Yet you say them!

Actually I said the exact opposite, you really should work on your comprehension, take a little more time to understand what people are saying before you blurt out some incomprehensible 'reply'.

@AThousandYoung said
Don't give me orders. Because of Brandolini's Law I will not spend time catering to your willful ignorance.

Don’t spew out accusations without providing quotes to support them.

@Indonesia-Phil said
Actually I said the exact opposite, you really should work on your comprehension, take a little more time to understand what people are saying before you blurt out some incomprehensible 'reply'.

Yeah right.

@KellyJay said
I didn’t ask if there were standards, but are we judged by the same ones? Are there good people and bad ones, if so how do you know which is which?

Are there good people and bad ones, if so how do you know which is which?

Perhaps you remember the Karla Tucker case. She was convicted of a gruesome double murder and sentenced to death. (There is an article on her at wikipedia). While on death row, she converted to Christianity and to all appearances repented of her former actions; she wrote a long letter to then-gov. George Bush (Jr.) pleading for clemency, chiefly on the grounds of her presumed conversion to Christianity. Bush answered that he would grant no clemency, as he felt that only God had the authority to look into a person's soul and make a judgement, whether anyone is good or bad, whether anyone has sincerely atoned and repented and deserves clemency.

However, later-president Bush felt no such compunction about pronouncing the people he imprisoned (without due process) in Camp X-Ray "bad people."

I think you could fairly ask George Bush how he came to change his mind about judging people as being good or bad.


I didn’t ask if there were standards, but are we judged by the same ones?

An example may make this clear.

Some years ago, there was a case which drew international attention. A woman, I think from Sweden, went to Saudi Arabia, and was raped by at least two men there. She went to the police, but the police, instead of charging the assailants with rape, charged the Swedish woman with having sex outside of marriage. The men were not charged with anything. This is a clear case where we see that the people of Saudi Arabia are living under a different ethical paradigm to the one which is familiar to Western Europeans and to North Americans. And now you want to know whether I think Saudis are bad people? I will render no such judgment. Do I want to live in Saudi Arabia? No. In Saudi Arabia, an unescorted woman is considered fair game; I don’t wish to live among such people.

My wife and I once went to a conference on the island of Rhodes. People from many different countries and cultures were taking part in the conference, among them an Iranian woman and her husband. Her husband could not let her get up from the table at the restaurant and walk to the buffet unescorted; he followed her literally everywhere within arm's reach. He could not get his mind around the idea that in Greece, an unescorted woman is not going to be raped. He was stuck in his Iranian mindset, even though in Greece, it doesn’t apply. Would I want to live in Iran? No. Do I think the Iranians are bad people? I refuse to render a judgment.

Iranians also stage public mass executions, tie homosexuals to chairs and throw them off high places, and cut off bits of people's bodies for non-medical reasons. Do I think Iranians are bad people because of this? I refuse to render a judgment. But I sure don’t want to live in that place. And it’s not simply because of a detail, such as executing homosexuals or charging the wrong person in a rape case. It’s because they have a completely different ethical paradigm, to which I will not subscribe.

Their ethical paradigm is that everything was settled in the seventh century by a man who claimed that an angel spoke to him. Joseph Smith made the same claim a few hundred years later, but what an angel supposedly told Joseph Smith was different to what an angel supposedly told Mohammed. So it’s entirely my choice, whether to believe either of them or both of them or neither of them.

I note, however, that a close reading of the Quran confirms that there are different standards, and that Allah intended that there be different standards. I won't bore you with the exact suras--but it's in there, in plain text.

... how do you know which is which? The good people or the bad people? If Jesus declined to judge the adulteress, who am I to judge her?

There are extraordinarily simple questions to pose but difficult to answer, such as "How do you know?" questions. Just try answering the question "how do you know your left big toe hurts?" Either you shrug and say "I just feel it", or you admit that the answer to "how do you know?" questions is almost never simple, and never found in a book. Whatever you find in a book simply transfers the "how do you know?" question from the reader to the author: "How did he know?" How do I know whether I want to live in Saudi Arabia or Iran? By looking at litmus-test cases, such as who gets charged with a crime.

How do I know whether Trump is a good or a bad president? By his fruits we do know him: he violates his oath of office and defies courts, repeatedly. Do I know whether he is a flawed man, metaphysically, eternally damned? Of course not. But I see, as does anyone with his eyes open, that he is childish and emotionally immature; he throws tantrums when he doesn't get what he wants, he is petty and vindictive. By his fruits, we know him.

@moonbus said
Are there good people and bad ones, if so how do you know which is which?

Perhaps you remember the Karla Tucker case. She was convicted of a gruesome double murder and sentenced to death. (There is an article on her at wikipedia). While on death row, she converted to Christianity and to all appearances repented of her former actions; she wrote a long letter to then- ...[text shortened]... tantrums when he doesn't get what he wants, he is petty and vindictive. By his fruits, we know him.

You believe the good ones never do bad things, to be clear, that is what you are saying, and the bad ones never do good things? It doesn't matter if you can find examples of people doing either; is any of us all one and not the other?

@KellyJay said
Twenty posts is a very vague thing without specifics. Come on, you say MAGA as if it's on its face everyone should know it’s evil, and I am asking what it is that you are saying when you say MAGA. Outside of Make America Great Again, what about it is bad? What is it about MAGA that doesn't increase freedom, doesn't increase happiness, and doesn't harm anyone?

You don’t ...[text shortened]... here.

So I'm no closer to understanding your point of view about MAGA now than when you answered.

"Twenty posts is a very vague thing without specifics. Come on, you say MAGA as if it's on its face everyone should know it’s evil, and I am asking what it is that you are saying when you say MAGA. Outside of Make America Great Again, what about it is bad? What is it about MAGA that doesn't increase freedom, doesn't increase happiness, and doesn't harm anyone?"
I have been mentioning Kirk saying his 10 year old daughter should bear her hypothetical rapist's child to completion in practically every reply and you don't seem to want to address that. Wonder why. Maybe you need some more context

"You don’t think open borders were good, do you?"
the borders were never open


"drugs coming into the country were causing death and destruction with gang activity"
drugs haven't stopped comming into the country

"So I'm no closer to understanding your point of view about MAGA now than when you answered."
When i said MAGA was evil, was i stuttering?