Originally posted by der schwarze RitterAnd you might see the breakdown of america- as the inequalities in power and wealth get too get. The growing income gap is unsustainable.
Don’t believe me, just stick around awhile longer and you might be surprised by what eventually happens in France, Germany or Sweden. But if you are so enamored with communism, maybe you should talk to people who experienced it firsthand in Eastern and Central Europe. They will tell you it is a vile insult to humanity.
Stalinism isn't the same as communism as a theory- which is what I am interested by.
Originally posted by wedgehead2I've never said that anyone should be left out in the cold. In fact, I think that anyone can be in an untidy situation, through no fault of their own at some time or another in their life. However, if someone gets into a bind through repeating bad behaviors, I don't think society has a responsibility to afford them a lifestyle. Charity, if I choose to give, should have strings attached. Otherwise, all we’re doing is subsidizing poverty.
You think the weak should be left out in the cold! That survival of the strong mentality is extremist nonsense.
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Originally posted by UllrThey are miniscule in the larger scheme of things. A great artist is
I'd add some more attributes to that list such as ambition, wisdom, charisma. None of these nor the ones you listed do I consider miniscule.
nothing without the society to support xer. A worker can't do it all alone.
A capitalist is... well, a capitalist would be pretty useless in any event, but
you get the picture, right? The differences are small in that whatever
you're good at you need others with different skills to lead the kind of
life you lead now. So, the differences are not all that important as a
measurement of this one is worth that and that one is worth this.
Individually we're pretty worthless. Only when we work together can we
accomplish anything of value. This is why I can't understand why some
would choose to put their own needs above others; to try and appear
more than they in fact are; to grab as much as they can and run for the
hills.
Originally posted by wedgehead2A theory which has been utterly discredited, both in 'theory' and in practice.
And you might see the breakdown of america- as the inequalities in power and wealth get too get. The growing income gap is unsustainable.
Stalinism isn't the same as communism as a theory- which is what I am interested by.
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterCan't you be proud of your work and effort for something greater than yourself, e.g. society? You work because you like to. The money you get you can spend on what you need, and possibly what you want.
Because the alternative is becoming a ward of the state or homelessness.
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterWhat is "bad behaviour"?
I've never said that anyone should be left out in the cold. In fact, I think that anyone can be in an untidy situation, through no fault of their own at some time or another in their life. However, if someone gets into a bind through repeating bad behaviors, I don't think society has a responsibility to afford them a lifestyle. Charity, if I choose to give, should have strings attached. Otherwise, all we’re doing is subsidizing poverty.
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Originally posted by der schwarze RitterYou do this purposely, don't you? Communism doesn't necessarily equal
Don’t believe me, just stick around awhile longer and you might be surprised by what eventually happens in France, Germany or Sweden. But if you are so enamored with communism, maybe you should talk to people who experienced it firsthand in Eastern and Central Europe. They will tell you it is a vile insult to humanity.
a dictatorship, and it's not the same as socialism. But it's fun to annoy
people, plus you get to divert attention away from the equally failing
capitalistic model you seem to hold so high and dear, so why would you
stop using that argument? Right?
I'm still waiting for someone to show me how a capitalistic model could
possibly solve the problems of this world (starvation, lack of equal
opportunities for everyone and child labour being the most urgent
problems to solve). I think it in fact depends on a certain percentage of
the world's population living in misery. If all the world was united under
one flag, the only way to sustain capitalism is if we have different classes
in society. And when we have different classes, we have problems.
Just think how much resources is spent supporting the paranoid us and
them philosophy that all nations seem to share (military, espionage,
new technology to keep one step ahead and so on). It's ridiculous.
Those resources spent on education teaching the value of cooperation
instead of competition would make for a much better society I think (not
to mention more resources available for all).
If I may be so bold to suggest, I would vote for a system where selfish
folks who just want more for themselves and are willing to look the other
direction when a starving person is begging for a penny, not to mention
spending a ridiculous amount of resources trying to trip the "opponent
side", should be left out of society entirely. They shouldn't get any
support or help from any part of the government (police, fire
department, hospital care and so on and so forth). Let's see how well
they make it without all those workers who makes it possible for them to
take as much as possible and snort at the needy. I have this image of a
lot of people sitting by the edge of the road muttering at the fact there's
no one left to exploit for their personal benefit, while the sane people
gets a life not of excessive luxury but definitely more worthwhile than
muttering at the side of the road. Of course, the only way this could
happen is if everyone gets a chance to learn the value of cooperation as
opposed to constant competition.
To suggest it's a vile insult to humanity that some of us don't want to
exploit others for our own benefit, nor willing to be exploited, is a bit
strong. It may not be natural for humans to cooperate on equal terms,
but it's definitely not a vile insult to humanity wanting to change for the
better rather than constantly repeating, like a washed out mantra: "This
is what it is to be human and we must never attempt to change our
ways".
Originally posted by stockenHow far you Brits have fallen. Once you gave the world the King James Bible, the Magna Carta and men of great renown like Lord Nelson and Sir Winston Churchill. Sadly, the ones I’ve met on RHP are a bunch of mewling, petulant children crying for their wet nurses. Where’s that stiff upper lip and resolve the English were once so famous for? Alas, Britain is no longer so great.
You do this purposely, don't you? Communism...blah, blah, blah, Communism...take from the rich...blah, blather, blah...four legs good, two legs baaaaaddddd...each according to his own...Marx, Lenin, Engles...I hate my parents....no one loved me as a child...life's unfair...Communism