1. Do you think that women are (partly) to blame for being raped?
That depends on two things. Was she raped in the countryside or in the city? And if the latter, then did some one hear her cry out for help?
2. Do you think that rape is a sexual thing or a power thing?
Certainly both. It's hard for me to seperate the two since it seems that in the case of rape the two motivations are tightly meshed.
3. Do you think that women who dress "decently" have less chance of being raped?
If by decently you mean when women "adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array" (1 Timothy 2:9), then yes. Otherwise, I agree with the earlier point that more provacative dress wearing may be positively correlated with high-risk situations.
4. Where do you think most rapes occur?
In the girl/women's home.
5. What do you think should be done to cut back on the number of rapes?
Education is certainly part of it. Also targeted methods for different types of rape (date rape, "violent" rape). Tough question though. Not sure.
6. Do you think that raping has a cultural element to it?
Sure. There definitely a male domination thing to it. There has been quite a bit of discussion for example regarding the impact of sports culture ("jock culture"😉 on young mens' attitudes towards women and their impact on sexual violence.
Originally posted by WulebgrI've read studies that show that this isn't an effective way of preventing violent reoffence. Most here seem to accept that rape is at least in part a power thing, so you may remove the offenders means to rape the traditional way, but what you create is someone who is even more frustrated at not being able to have sex, and even more angry, so is more likely to attack again with even more brutal sexual assaults.
5. castrate offenders
Originally posted by shavixmir1. Absolutely not. It's a woman's body and she can do with it as she pleases. If she wants people looking at her, but not touching her, that's her prerogative. If she wants to kiss and cuddle, but no further...that's up to her too.
1. Do you think that women are (partly) to blame for being raped?
2. Do you think that rape is a sexual thing or a power thing?
3. Do you think that women who dress "decently" have less chance of being raped?
4. Where do you think most rapes occur?
5. What do you think should be done to cut back on the number of rapes?
6. Do you think that raping has a cultural element to it?
I do believe there may be odd cases where a man actually, genuinly, misenterprets the signals though. But even in these cases I lay the blame on him. As soon as she hints a "No" he should back off. Even for idiots who say "No", but mean "yes", pity. No is no. End of story.
2. I reckon rape is nothing sexual. It's already been mentioned that prostitutes (not "ho's" for god's sake) help nothing to stop raping.
Raping is about domination. Getting someone to do what you want them to do. If there is consent, then the rapist doesn't get what he wants.
3 and 4. No. Most rapes occur in the home or in a close relative/friend's house, by people well known to the victim. They know the person and the clothing makes no difference.
5. Certainly education will cut back on "mistakes". Knowing that a "no" is "no", etc. But I don't think this will help in the majority of cases.
Nor do I think a more severe punishment is the answer, that's proven not to deter anything.
I do think that a higher rate of conviction would be go. I also think that rape as a subject should be dragged out of the closet of "Don't talk about it" and be discussed.
Questions like: Why do so many men rape? Is rape bad? Does being rapes make you feel guilty? etc. The more out in the open the subject is, the more likely people will recognise it, the causes and the effects.
I still have a horrible feeling that this will not reduce the amount of rapes by significant numbers though. And I don't see what could be done.
Self defence courses? Assertiveness courses? Maybe along those lines? Not that these will stop the rape from being initiated, but they might go a bit to helping women deal with it at the moment and afterwards.
6. I don't know if there's a cultural element to rape. The figures for Western Europe are staggering, but so they are for various African countries, etc. I don't know of any culture which has a proven "exceptionally low rape rate".
I guess you could get into the old nature-nurture debate as well.
Thank you for your various takes on the subject.
Originally posted by telerionOften, I find women in modest dress more provocative, but seduction is always the aim of a gentleman.
If by decently you mean when women "adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array" (1 Timothy 2:9), then yes. Otherwise, I agree with the earlier point that more provacative dress wearing may be positively correlated with high-risk situations.
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Originally posted by telerionWhat the phuk are you talking about? Rape is ALL about power asserted from weak, cowardly so-called men. It has NOTHING to do with sex! No woman deserves to be raped....No means NO!!!
1. Do you think that women are (partly) to blame for being raped?
That depends on two things. Was she raped in the countryside or in the city? And if the latter, then did some one hear her cry out for help?
2. Do you think that rape is a sexual thing or a power thing?
Certainly both. It's hard for me to seperate the two since it seems that in ...[text shortened]... ("jock culture"😉 on young mens' attitudes towards women and their impact on sexual violence.
Rapists, just like child molestors, should be given an automatic 25-year sentence without parole after the first offense. That's all the education they need...what do you want to "educate" them on?...opening the door of the car for the woman before raping her?....buying dinner before raping her?....better techniques on "pick-up" lines.....how to slip that Roofy into her drink w/o anyone noticing?......what a lame suggestion, to provide education for these slimeballs
I'm surprised and a little stunned by your post, telerion.....forgive me if I'm shocked...but don't worry, marauder will come to your rescue and shoot me down by "justifying" these cretins' actions as rightwing-responsible
Originally posted by chancremechanicCM, you obviously despise rapists.
What the phuk are you talking about? Rape is ALL about power asserted from weak, cowardly so-called men. It has NOTHING to do with sex! No woman deserves to be raped....No means NO!!!
Rapists, just like child molestors, should be given an automatic 25-year sentence without parole after the first offense. That's all the education they need...w ...[text shortened]... your rescue and shoot me down by "justifying" these cretins' actions as rightwing-responsible
Tell me, would you condone abortion, if a rape resulted in pregnancy?
Originally posted by shavixmir1. 'Blame' implies that someone has done something wrong. The woman has done nothing wrong. However she has contributed to the likelihood that she'd get raped.
I was reading the BBC website and stumbled upon this gem of a discussion:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4453820.stm
Seemingly 25% of people in Britain think that women are at least partly to blame for being raped. Be it through their behaviour or their clothing.
So I was wondering what the opinions here are (since this is a reasonably internatio ...[text shortened]... apes?
6. Do you think that raping has a cultural element to it?
Please explain your answers.
2. Both probably.
3. My instincts say yes, but I don't know.
4. No idea.
5. I honestly don't know.
6. I'm not sure what a "cultural element" is.
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Originally posted by howardgeeNo, I would not condone abortion, as all things happen for the good of the Lord if one is a believer...even rape and murder and cancer and badluck. Out of the horror of rape, a genius child could be born to solve mankind's social, economic, and political problems; or a future rapist could be created...one never knows. I cannot pretend to know how a woman would feel about carrying a rape-child to term, but it would have to be a brave woman who valued life more than the situation that put her in the dilemma in the first place; a woman of moral character that is rare these days, and I cannot say that I would blame her for contemplating abortion or carrying it out, nor will I judge her. God, in His infinite wisdom has answers to these problems that only a woman in this circumstance can get answers to. Do you not despise rapists, howardgee?
CM, you obviously despise rapists.
Tell me, would you condone abortion, if a rape resulted in pregnancy?
Originally posted by chancremechanicI cannot agree with this.
No, I would not condone abortion, as all things happen for the good of the Lord if one is a believer...even rape and murder and cancer and badluck. Out of the horror of rape, a genius child could be born to solve mankind's social, economic, and political problems; or a future rapist could be created...one never knows. I cannot pretend to know how ...[text shortened]... at only a woman in this circumstance can get answers to. Do you not despise rapists, howardgee?
If a woman wants to keep the baby because she is a believer and thinks it's all for a reason, or for whatever reason, all well and good.
But if not, it will be a constant reminder of what happened to her, and the raper will still have power over her for the rest of her life.
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Originally posted by chancremechanicWhat a load of phuking bull. If you have the opinion that society is able to benefit from rape by proxy, then you're removing your objection to rape in the first place. By your rational, for example, the killing of an innocent man by muggers may be a benefit to society if that then caused his son to grow up to become a Judge or Care Worker etc. If you stick to that, you can rationalise any crime into a permissible process. You can dismiss the consequences of rape in terms of the greater good, I will not.
No, I would not condone abortion, as all things happen for the good of the Lord if one is a believer...even rape and murder and cancer and badluck. Out of the horror of rape, a genius child could be born to solve mankind's social, economic, and political problems; or a future rapist could be created...one never knows. I cannot pretend to know how ...[text shortened]... at only a woman in this circumstance can get answers to. Do you not despise rapists, howardgee?
And your catchphrase of 'it's wrong, but I won't judge, only god can do that' is rubbish too. If you believe god is the truth and you follow his intention then either you DO judge people, or you're a hypocrite.
Originally posted by shavixmir1. Naturally.
1. Do you think that women are (partly) to blame for being raped?
2. Do you think that rape is a sexual thing or a power thing?
3. Do you think that women who dress "decently" have less chance of being raped?
4. Where do you think most rapes occur?
5. What do you think should be done to cut back on the number of rapes?
6. Do you think that raping has a cultural element to it?
Please explain your answers.
2. Sex is power.
3. No. They're playing hard-to-get.
4. Where few people can watch.
5. Cut back on the number of women.
6. Yes. Bacterial infection is likely.
Originally posted by Bowmann1. Do you think that women are (partly) to blame for being Bowmanned?
1. Naturally.
2. Sex is power.
3. No. They're playing hard-to-get.
4. Where few people can watch.
5. Cut back on the number of women.
6. Yes. Bacterial infection is likely.
no, no one deserves that.
2. Do you think that Bowmann is a sexual thing or a power thing?
a dangling thing
3. Do you think that women who dress "decently" have less chance of being Bowmanned?
no, being Bowmanned is almost inevitable
4. Where do you think most Bowmanns occur?
in social voids
5. What do you think should be done to cut back on the number of Bowmanns?
machetes seem workable
6. Do you think that Bowmann has a cultural element to it?
pffft
Originally posted by VargThat's where mental health/spiritual counseling come into play....
I cannot agree with this.
If a woman wants to keep the baby because she is a believer and thinks it's all for a reason, or for whatever reason, all well and good.
But if not, it will be a constant reminder of what happened to her, and the raper will still have power over her for the rest of her life.