21 Nov 05
I was reading the BBC website and stumbled upon this gem of a discussion:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4453820.stm
Seemingly 25% of people in Britain think that women are at least partly to blame for being raped. Be it through their behaviour or their clothing.
So I was wondering what the opinions here are (since this is a reasonably international gathering). Would you care to answer the following questions:
1. Do you think that women are (partly) to blame for being raped?
2. Do you think that rape is a sexual thing or a power thing?
3. Do you think that women who dress "decently" have less chance of being raped?
4. Where do you think most rapes occur?
5. What do you think should be done to cut back on the number of rapes?
6. Do you think that raping has a cultural element to it?
Please explain your answers.
21 Nov 05
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Originally posted by shavixmir1. What do you mean "to blame"?!?
I was reading the BBC website and stumbled upon this gem of a discussion:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4453820.stm
Seemingly 25% of people in Britain think that women are at least partly to blame for being raped. Be it through their behaviour or their clothing.
So I was wondering what the opinions here are (since this is a reasonably internatio ...[text shortened]... apes?
6. Do you think that raping has a cultural element to it?
Please explain your answers.
2. Power, definitely.
3. Yes. The distorted mind of the raper can easily think that "they had it coming", absurd as that may be to the sane mind.
4. In homes, by husbands.
5. I was thinking education, but does that matter if a rapist is mentally ill? I don't think any rapist is psychologically healthy, but I have a feeling education can help partially. In short: I have no idea.
Edit:
6. Yes, the more women are viewed as equals the less men will feel they have the right to do as they please. Then again, some stats about rape would be helpful in asserting the influence of culture. Even if those are merely reported rapes.
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21 Nov 05
Originally posted by shavixmir1. Well, I think women shouldn´t go alone in the dark to places where a rape can be comitted (dark, lonesome alleys etc.) Besides that they are innocent. And there are the women which play a man all night long in the clubs, let him buy him many drinks, let him drive her home and then walks out laughing out of the car just for kicks. I think sometimes this girls then should be treated as ho´s as I paid for something but I would never violate anybody. But one is angry when this happens (happened to me twice. The second time is throw my empty beer can after her)
I was reading the BBC website and stumbled upon this gem of a discussion:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4453820.stm
Seemingly 25% of people in Britain think that women are at least partly to blame for being raped. Be it through their behaviour or their clothing.
So I was wondering what the opinions here are (since this is a reasonably internatio ...[text shortened]... apes?
6. Do you think that raping has a cultural element to it?
Please explain your answers.
2. I think there are 2 type of Rapists, the first who enjoyes to overpower his victim and the second who just do it cause of a lack of a sexual partner or by chance.
3. Yes. When you can see nearly everything its hard to accept that you are not allowed to touch it like in the fruit shop or something. And it keeps us man sexual agressive all the time.
4. Africa. New believing says one can be healed from AIDS when raping a virgin. Many female children (age 3 - 5 !) got raped there today.
5. Change of clothing behaviour, cheaper ho´s. Today more man are frustrated as their natural role as the protector and feeder of the family is questioned. Furthermore ask a man of 50 years ago what the h... is a female orgasm or a cl...
6. No, not at all, never. But there are some partners which enjoys that as a role play.
21 Nov 05
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Originally posted by shavixmir1. Some women put themselves in risky situations (drunk at a party where they don't know people or walking alone through very bad neighbourhoods in the middle of the night). Others just have horrible luck and are just on their way home from church in the middle of day. No woman however is 'to blame' for being raped. They are the victim.
1. Do you think that women are (partly) to blame for being raped?
2. Do you think that rape is a sexual thing or a power thing?
3. Do you think that women who dress "decently" have less chance of being raped?
4. Where do you think most rapes occur?
5. What do you think should be done to cut back on the number of rapes?
6. Do you think that raping has a cultural element to it?
2. I think it varies from attacker to attacker. How can you make a definitive statement on this without asking every single rapist?
3. I guess you could say that. Probably because those women who dress 'decently' tend not to put themselves in the risky situations.
4. I think most rapes are 'date-rapes' where the woman is plied with drugs (knowingly or unknowingly) or alcohol first. No real force is used. I guess these could occur almost anywhere.
5. The conviction rate needs to be improved. Victims need to have the confidence to come forward and know the law will actually listen to them. To do this better education and systems are needed about coming forward. Accusing someone a week or more after the alleged attack is no good as it becomes he said/she said and a conviction is unlikely. I've noticed in many high-profile rape cases the defence attacks the victim and claims they were asking for it as their entire defence. Something needs to be done here as it's a great impediment to victims coming forward.
6. Indubitably.
21 Nov 05
Originally posted by shavixmirI think that a dilution of what is considered 'rape' has lead to this unsympathetic opinion to 'rape victims'.
I was reading the BBC website and stumbled upon this gem of a discussion:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4453820.stm
Seemingly 25% of people in Britain think that women are at least partly to blame for being raped. Be it through their behaviour or their clothing.
So I was wondering what the opinions here are (since this is a reasonably internatio ...[text shortened]... apes?
6. Do you think that raping has a cultural element to it?
Please explain your answers.
Previously, rape meant being attacked in a dark alley by a total stranger and forced to do lewd acts completely against your will.
Clearly, the rapee was always a victim here.
Consider the recent accusation of rape against Man Utd player Christiano Ronaldo.
Two women have drinks with him and his mate in a bar for several hours and then they pair off and go to the mens' hotel rooms.
1) What on earth did the ladies think they were going to do in the bedrooms - play tiddlywinks?
2) Ronaldo is a pin up boy - I think he could have pretty much his pick of the women without resorting to rape.
It is easy to understand why sympathy for such 'victims' is at an all time low.
21 Nov 05
Originally posted by shavixmirI believe there is a difference between rape where a stranger waylays a woman / girl and forces her to do something she does not want and a case where two people are in bed and one changes thier mind and the other forces a sexual act. However both are still wrong.
1. Do you think that women are (partly) to blame for being raped?
If you do not lock your door at night are you partly responsible for being robbed ? How a woman dresses and behaves can put her more at risk. However the guilty party is still the robber / rapist and his guilt is not made any less by the fact that the crime appeared to have been encouraged.
2. I dont know why men do it but I dont think it is a sexual thing in many cases because many rapists can go to prostitutes and are not raping to save money!
The effect on women is much more of a psycological thing than physical.
21 Nov 05
1. No, not to blame. But there is the consideration that they might make themselves more susceptible to being raped by getting in certain situations or wearing certain clothes. This is not a matter of blame though.
2. Both, depending on the rapist, but probably more about power.
3. Probably
4. I honestly have no idea, in cars?
5. Educate people that women are not objects, that sex has nothing to do with how good your fizzy drink is and that celebrity is an empty falshood. Lower the taboos over sex education, provide more information and support to women both before and (if) after rape and quash the drinking culture in this country. Probably lots of other things
6. Obviously
21 Nov 05
Originally posted by StarrmanQuash the drinking culture???? Traitor!!!
1. No, not to blame. But there is the consideration that they might make themselves more susceptible to being raped by getting in certain situations or wearing certain clothes. This is not a matter of blame though.
2. Both, depending on the rapist, but probably more about power.
3. Probably
4. I honestly have no idea, in cars?
5. Educate people that w ...[text shortened]... ape and quash the drinking culture in this country. Probably lots of other things
6. Obviously
21 Nov 05
Originally posted by twhiteheadA stranger?
I believe there is a difference between rape where a stranger waylays a woman / girl and forces her to do something she does not want and a case where two people are in bed and one changes thier mind and the other forces a sexual act. However both are still wrong.
If you do not lock your door at night are you partly responsible for being robbed ? How a w ...[text shortened]... t raping to save money!
The effect on women is much more of a psycological thing than physical.
I would argue most rapes are done by people known to the victim. Often a spouse, or a frustrated friend.
These days rape can include digital penertration. there is a fine line between a drunken one night stand and rape. People often feel very differently about events in the morning.
That said getting a rape prosecution is nearly impossible. Not only does it often boil down to one persons word against another. The whole process is personal and painful and it is arguable whether this course is worthwhile because statistically most cases collapse.
Like a lot of crime the victim can rarely gain anything from the experience.
21 Nov 05
Women are never to blame for being raped but she still has to be very careful about her behaviour in this day and age.
For example, she can't provocatively dress, walk down a dark lonely alley by herself without any form of self defence and then say when someone tries to attack her, "I am exercising my right to be free to go anywhere as I please and dress how I want, you have no right to rape me.". It is true that she does have that right, but a rapist would not care about that.
Men also have to be careful. They are also vulnerable when they have been drinking and are by themself going down dark alleys (although less likely to get raped, there are other dangers). No one is to blame for being attacked, it is always the attacker to blame, but common sense in your behaviour and awareness would help to reduce becoming a victim.
21 Nov 05
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Originally posted by shavixmirWhat about telling us YOUR opinion on this matter?
I was reading the BBC website and stumbled upon this gem of a discussion:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4453820.stm
Seemingly 25% of people in Britain think that women are at least partly to blame for being raped. Be it through their behaviour or their clothing.
So I was wondering what the opinions here are (since this is a reasonably internatio ...[text shortened]... apes?
6. Do you think that raping has a cultural element to it?
Please explain your answers.
1. The victim is not even close to being even partially responsible for the act.
2. Both power and sex, but mostly power.
3. In the victims house or a friends house.
4. 1st time rapist - 5 years in jail, 2nd time rapist - chemical castration, 3rd time rapist - surgical castration.
5. Yes.
edit, ( the dressing question) It shouldn't matter how a person dresses, but I know it can affect how people percieve you.
I believe everyone knows the difference between NO!, and Ooooo no, no no yes yes YES!
21 Nov 05
Originally posted by shavixmir1. No. Never. Rape is an act of violence and the perpetrator is the only one to blame.
1. Do you think that women are (partly) to blame for being raped?
2. Do you think that rape is a sexual thing or a power thing?
3. Do you think that women who dress "decently" have less chance of being raped?
4. Where do you think most rapes occur?
5. What do you think should be done to cut back on the number of rapes?
6. Do you think that raping has a cultural element to it?
Please explain your answers.
2. Both, depending on the person.
3. Yes, in cases where rape is a sexual thing I can imagine someone being driven wild by the way a woman looks. Not the woman's fault though.
4. I've heard it's the home i.e husbands taking it by force.
5. Rapes in the home is difficult. Encourage the women to get out, but at the end of the day it's in theor hands. Random rape is more scary in a way, in this case castrate the men.
6. Yes. Some cultures see it very much as a power thing, and as someone else said in places where women are valued very little they have few rights of complaint.
21 Nov 05
Originally posted by shavixmir1. If you mean blame = 'moral culpability', then in the vast majority of cases - no. There might be a very small minority of cases (e.g. date rape) where the woman might have partially encouraged sexual advances.
I was reading the BBC website and stumbled upon this gem of a discussion:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4453820.stm
Seemingly 25% of people in Britain think that women are at least partly to blame for being raped. Be it through their behaviour or their clothing.
So I was wondering what the opinions here are (since this is a reasonably internatio ...[text shortened]... apes?
6. Do you think that raping has a cultural element to it?
Please explain your answers.
If you mean blame = 'responsibility for not taking reasonable steps', then the answer would still be "no" for the majority.
2. A bit of both (though mostly power), I suppose. Then again, power itself can be a turn-on.
3. All else being equal, I'd say yes.
4. At the home.
5. For starters, one would have to begin by making it easier to report, investigate and convict rapists. More WPCs, special rape cells within easy reach. Increase the statute of limitations (if one exists) and sentences on rape. Suspend the right of the accused to face his accuser, if necessary.
6. Yes.