@suzianne saidThen define "vote change".
Calling a miscounted vote a "vote change" is like calling an abortion "baby murder". It makes no sense, but it's more than enough for stupid people to get enraged about it. Just admit that you use the language you do to evoke a visceral response in stupid people. That's why it spectacularly backfires here... we're not stupid.
How does someone change a vote? Surely you can give me an example.
They counted the votes. Then they counted them again and found an extra 99 votes that "changed" to Biden. Incorrect counting changes votes. How else do you change votes? Give me an example.
@Metal-Brain
Why are you keeping up this fraud bit when now even that idiot qanon cyber ninja had to admit they found no fraud AND found even more votes for Biden.
I think the answer to that question is you are not what you portray yourself to be.
I think you have ties to Putin and are part of the misinformation campaign to keep Americans at each other's throat.
And you claim to hate Trump.
I say BULL CRAP, you defend him at every turn.
@sonhouse saidDefine "vote change".
@Metal-Brain
Why are you keeping up this fraud bit when now even that idiot qanon cyber ninja had to admit they found no fraud AND found even more votes for Biden.
I think the answer to that question is you are not what you portray yourself to be.
I think you have ties to Putin and are part of the misinformation campaign to keep Americans at each other's throat.
And you claim to hate Trump.
I say BULL CRAP, you defend him at every turn.
@metal-brain saidIf you remember correctly (and you don't), the claim Trumpsters were making was that the machines were switching Trump votes to Biden.
Define "vote change".
Needless to say, the "audit" found absolutely no evidence of this.
@no1marauder saidI don't know about every claim made by certain people. What audit? In which state?
If you remember correctly (and you don't), the claim Trumpsters were making was that the machines were switching Trump votes to Biden.
Needless to say, the "audit" found absolutely no evidence of this.
@metal-brain saidDefinition of "vote change": Some vote which was originally cast for candidate X is manipulated so as to make it appear that it was cast for candidate Y.
Define "vote change".
No evidence has been presented to date that this actually happened, even once, during the 2020 presidential election process. Nor has any plausible mechanism been proposed whereby it could have happened (Italian weather satellites did not have access to voting machines --sheesh, get real, man!).
The only thing the audits have turned up so far are counting discrepancies.
The difference between vote changes and counting discrepancies has been explained in a previous post. Counting discrepancies are innocent and to be expected in any election, within tolerance; vote changes, were there any confirmed cases of it, would be prima facie suspicious.
@moonbus said"Definition of "vote change": Some vote which was originally cast for candidate X is manipulated so as to make it appear that it was cast for candidate Y."
Definition of "vote change": Some vote which was originally cast for candidate X is manipulated so as to make it appear that it was cast for candidate Y.
No evidence has been presented to date that this actually happened, even once, during the 2020 presidential election process. Nor has any plausible mechanism been proposed whereby it could have happened (Italian weather s ...[text shortened]... thin tolerance; vote changes, were there any confirmed cases of it, would be prima facie suspicious.
That is what counting discrepancies do.
How could you possibly change a ballot to vote for another person permanently? The ink is already dry from a permanent marker. You have explained nothing. Give me an example of a vote change without a counting error. How is it possible?
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@metal-brain saidHow could you possibly change a ballot to vote for another person permanently? The ink is already dry from a permanent marker. You have explained nothing.
"Definition of "vote change": Some vote which was originally cast for candidate X is manipulated so as to make it appear that it was cast for candidate Y."
That is what counting discrepancies do.
How could you possibly change a ballot to vote for another person permanently? The ink is already dry from a permanent marker. You have explained nothing. Give me an example of a vote change without a counting error. How is it possible?
Hell-o! This is exactly what sensible people have been saying all along: it is virtually impossible (not absolutely, but practically so) to change votes. Did not happen. Certainly not on such a scale as to affect the result. The claim of widespread fraud simply does not stand up to scrutiny.
Give me an example of a vote change without a counting error. How is it possible?
Two votes are manipulated from candidate X so as to appear to have been cast for candidate Y. Unbeknownst to the manipulator, someone else is also manipulating two other ballots the other way. So four ballots have been changed, but the final tally is the same. Change without counting error.
@moonbus saidKudos to you, man. You have far more patience than I do.
How could you possibly change a ballot to vote for another person permanently? The ink is already dry from a permanent marker. You have explained nothing.
Hell-o! This is exactly what sensible people have been saying all along: it is virtually impossible (not absolutely, but practically so) to change votes. Did not happen. Certainly not on such a scale as to ...[text shortened]... . So four ballots have been changed, but the final tally is the same. Change without counting error.
I can't assume people are this stupid about elections. This country has had a lot of them, it's not rocket science. And so when I see someone being this bull-headed obstinate, I have to assume they're doing it on purpose, because I can't believe people are this stupid.
But then, Trump was elected, so anything's possible I guess.
@Metal-Brain
Feigning ignorance? You really expect us to believe you don't know what is going on?
This is all part of your connection to Putin and what they want you to say so you can sow discontent, suspicions about voting fraud.
There is no other explanation for your anti American traitorous stance.
@suzianne saidYou're right, nobody could know the rules of chess and be that stupid. I think he's Putin's puppy, planted here to sow doubt and discord. It ain't gonna work; he runs from one ludicrous allegation to the next, without rhyme or reason. Having claimed there was massive vote fraud, he now admits that it is virtually impossible to fake a paper ballot because the ink is permanent. What a dimwit. Ordinarily I wouldn't stoop so low as to refute such balderdash, but as I have only one game left running, I have a little time on my hands. Geez, it's like shooting brain-dead fish in a barrel though.
Kudos to you, man. You have far more patience than I do.
I can't assume people are this stupid about elections. This country has had a lot of them, it's not rocket science. And so when I see someone being this bull-headed obstinate, I have to assume they're doing it on purpose, because I can't believe people are this stupid.
But then, Trump was elected, so anything's possible I guess.
@moonbus said"it is virtually impossible (not absolutely, but practically so) to change votes."
How could you possibly change a ballot to vote for another person permanently? The ink is already dry from a permanent marker. You have explained nothing.
Hell-o! This is exactly what sensible people have been saying all along: it is virtually impossible (not absolutely, but practically so) to change votes. Did not happen. Certainly not on such a scale as to ...[text shortened]... . So four ballots have been changed, but the final tally is the same. Change without counting error.
That is why it is done by fraudulent counting. Fraudulent counting is a vote change. You have not given a single example of how a vote can change without counting discrepancies.
"Two votes are manipulated from candidate X so as to appear to have been cast for candidate Y."
But you said that is virtually impossible, but not absolutely. Now you say it can happen, but you have not given a single example of how the "manipulator" changed a vote. You also have not explained how Saddam Hussein manipulated votes without counting discrepancies.
You want to have it both ways, but you keep contradicting yourself. You know widespread voting fraud happened in Saddam's Iraq, but you don't give a single example of how it can be done. If it can be done there, why can't it be done here?
You have a lot of splaining to do Lucy.
@moonbus saidYou are stupid!
You're right, nobody could know the rules of chess and be that stupid. I think he's Putin's puppy, planted here to sow doubt and discord. It ain't gonna work; he runs from one ludicrous allegation to the next, without rhyme or reason. Having claimed there was massive vote fraud, he now admits that it is virtually impossible to fake a paper ballot because the ink is permanent. ...[text shortened]... ning, I have a little time on my hands. Geez, it's like shooting brain-dead fish in a barrel though.
Voting machines can be manipulated into counting votes incorrectly. Until there is a recount with paper ballots counted by hand you would never know, and I never claimed there was massive voter fraud so stop lying. All I said is how do you know it is not possible when it is done in countries like Saddam's Iraq.
How do you know?