1. silicon valley
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    Originally posted by adam warlock
    Point, please!
    count the democides occurring after auschwitz.

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    Originally posted by adam warlock
    Never again!
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    28 Jan '10 18:36
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNOSOM_II#The_end_of_UNOSOM_II

    The end of UNOSOM II

    Faced with news footage of the dead U.S. soldier being dragged through the streets of Mogadishu, American public opinion turned against participation in UNOSOM II. U.S. President Bill Clinton then decided to withdraw the U.S. forces, setting a deadline of 31 March 1994 for their complete withdrawal.

    American soldiers completely withdrew on March 3, 1994, 28 days earlier than expected.[17] Other nations, such as Belgium, France and Sweden, also decided to withdraw at this time.

    On November 4, 1994, after “peacemaking” efforts by the 1,900 UNOSOM II troops failed, the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) voted unanimously to withdraw all forces. UNOSOM II’s mandate ended in March 1995 when US ships off the coast of Somalia assisted in the safe departure of the remaining UNOSOM troops. In early 1994 the Security Council set a deadline for the mission of March 1995.[18]
  3. Standard memberadam warlock
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    28 Jan '10 18:36
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    count the democides occurring after auschwitz.

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    Originally posted by adam warlock
    [b]Never again!
    [/b]
    Imperative.
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    28 Jan '10 18:37
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide#American_role

    American role

    Prior to the war, the U.S. government had aligned itself with Tutsi interests, in turn raising Hutu concerns about potential U.S. support to the opposition. Paul Kagame, a Tutsi officer in exile in Uganda who had co-founded the Rwandese Patriotic Front (RPF) in 1986 and was in open conflict with the incumbent Rwandan government, was invited to receive military training at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, home of the Command and General Staff College. In October 1990, while Kagame was at Fort Leavenworth, the RPF started an invasion of Rwanda. Only two days into the invasion, his close friend and RPF co-founder Fred Rwigema was killed, upon which the U.S. arranged the return of Kagame to Uganda from where he became the military commander of the RPF.[50] An article in the Washington Post of August 16, 1997, authored by its Southern African bureau chief Lynne Duke, indicates that the connection continued as RPF elements received counterinsurgency and combat training from U.S. Special Forces.[51][52]

    In January 1994 NSC member Richard Clark developed formal US peacekeeping doctrine, Presidential Decision Directive 25 (PDD-25).

    There were no U.S. troops officially in Rwanda at the onset of the genocide. A National Security Archive report points out five ways in which decisions made by the U.S. government contributed to the slow U.S. and worldwide response to the genocide:

    1. The U.S. lobbied the U.N. for a total withdrawal of U.N. (UNAMIR) forces in Rwanda in April 1994;
    2. Secretary of State Warren Christopher did not authorize officials to use the term "genocide" until May 21, and even then, U.S. officials waited another three weeks before using the term in public;
    3. Bureaucratic infighting slowed the U.S. response to the genocide in general;
    4. The U.S. refused to jam extremist radio broadcasts inciting the killing, citing costs and concern with international law;
    5. U.S. officials knew exactly who was leading the genocide, and actually spoke with those leaders to urge an end to the violence but did not follow up with concrete action.[53]
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    28 Jan '10 18:38
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Darfur#United_Nations

    International Response

    United Nations

    The report to the UN Human Rights Council said the situation in Darfur is "characterized by gross and systematic violations of human rights and grave breaches of international law".[26] It called for the UN Security Council to take "urgent" action to protect Darfur's civilians, including the deployment of a joint UN/African Union force and the freezing of funds and assets owned by officials complicit in the attacks.[27]

    The head of the UN investigating team, the Nobel Peace laureate Jody Williams, described the international response to the crisis as "pathetic".

    The United States, Britain and the European Union have repeatedly condemned the atrocities but have failed to carry out effective actions to stop the war. The US referred to the killings as genocide in 2004, while in 2006, Tony Blair said the situation was "completely unacceptable" and called for "urgent action".

    Attempts to negotiate ceasefires and peace deals have been sporadic and slow. New Mexico's governor Bill Richardson met with President Omar al-Bashir in Khartoum in January 2007. Richardson and al-Bashir agreed to a 60-day ceasefire.[28] However, within the week Sudanese planes were again bombing regions in Darfur.

    Some 7,000 African Union troops are operating in Darfur but their limited resources and mandate has made it impossible for them to protect civilians.[29] The force's 150 translators are on strike because they have not been paid since November.

    Jan Pronk, who was the head of the UN mission in Sudan until he was unceremoniously kicked out of the country by the Khartoum government, said Sudan had realized it could "get away with anything". In 2007, Mr. Pronk wrote on his blog that the Sudanese authorities had continued to "disregard Security Council resolutions, to break international agreements, to violate human rights and to feed and allow attacks on their own citizens. They could do all this without having to fear consequences. On the contrary, the Council and its members and the rest of the international community have been taken for a ride."[30]

    The Human Rights Council team faced similar problems. President Bashir promised UN secretary general, Ban Ki-moon, that Sudan would co-operate fully with the inquiry, including granting access to Darfur. But despite more than a dozen attempts by the UN team to apply for visas, Khartoum refused to allow them into the country. Instead they travelled to eastern Chad where more than 230,000 Darfuri refugees have fled. The conflict has followed the refugees over the border, with Chadian Arabs - backed by Sudanese Janjaweed militia - attacking the refugees in Chad.

    In early 2007, a High Level Mission on the situation of human rights in Darfur was set up to look into reports of ongoing violations and to try to work with the Government of the Sudan to put a stop to the atrocities. The Mission was led by Nobel Prize Winner Jody Williams and included a number of diplomats and human rights practitioners.[31] The Mission travelled to Ethiopia and Chad but it was never admitted into Sudanese territory itself because the Government refused to issue visas to the Mission. In its report of March 2007, the High Level Mission noted the Sudanese government's abject failure to protect Darfur civilians.[32][33][34]
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    28 Jan '10 18:39
    Originally posted by adam warlock
    Imperative.
    Failed imperative.
  7. Standard memberadam warlock
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    28 Jan '10 18:39
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    Failed imperative.
    How many genocides have occurred since I've used it?
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    28 Jan '10 18:40
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Darfur#Criticism_of_international_response

    Gérard Prunier, a scholar specializing in African conflicts, argued that the world's most powerful countries have largely limited themselves in expressing concerns and demand for the United Nations to take action in solving the genocide in Darfur. The UN, lacking both the funding and military support of the wealthy countries, has left the African Union to deploy a token force (AMIS) without a mandate to protect civilians. In the lack of foreign political will to address the political and economic structures that underlie the conflict, the international community has defined the Darfur conflict in humanitarian assistance terms and debated the label of "genocide."[25]

    On 16 October 2006, Minority Rights Group (MRG) published a critical report, challenging that the UN and the great powers could have prevented the deepening crisis in Darfur and that few lessons appear to have been drawn from their ineptitude during the Rwandan Genocide. MRG's executive director, Mark Lattimer, stated that: "this level of crisis, the killings, rape and displacement could have been foreseen and avoided ... Darfur would just not be in this situation had the UN systems got its act together after Rwanda: their action was too little too late."[45] On 20 October, 120 genocide survivors of The Holocaust, and the Cambodian and Rwandan Genocides, backed by six aid agencies, submitted an open letter to the European Union, calling on them to do more to end the atrocities in Darfur, with a UN peacekeeping force as "the only viable option." Aegis Trust director, James Smith, stated that while "the African Union has worked very well in Darfur and done what it could, the rest of the world hasn't supported those efforts the way it should have done with sufficient funds and sufficient equipment."[46]

    Human Rights First claimed that over 90% of the light weapons currently being imported by Sudan and used in the conflict are from China;[47] however, according to Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI)'s "Arms Transfers Data for 2007", in 2003–2007, Sudan received 87 per cent of its major conventional weapons from Russia and 8 per cent from China.[48] Human rights advocates and opponents of the Sudanese government portray China's role in providing weapons and aircraft as a cynical attempt to obtain oil just as colonial powers once supplied African chieftains with the military means to maintain control as they extracted natural resources.[49][50][51] According to China's critics, China has offered Sudan support threatening to use its veto on the U.N. Security Council to protect Khartoum from sanctions and has been able to water down every resolution on Darfur in order to protect its interests in Sudan.[52] Accusations of the supply of weapons from China, violating the UN arms embargo, continue to arise.[53]

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    28 Jan '10 18:41
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File😕ave_Darfur_sign_from_New_York_.jpg

    sign from Darfur protest in NY:

    "SAVE DARFUR

    NEW YORKERS AGAINST THE GENOCIDE

    NEVER AGAIN ..."
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    28 Jan '10 18:42
    Originally posted by adam warlock
    How many genocides have occurred since I've used it?
    your commentary lacks perspective. it needs some salt.
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    28 Jan '10 18:43
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    your commentary lacks perspective. it needs some salt.
    Let me try to speak your language...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperative_mood

    The imperative mood (abbreviated imp) is a grammatical mood that expresses direct commands or requests. It tells you to do something. It is also used to signal a prohibition, permission or any other kind of exhortation.
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    28 Jan '10 18:471 edit
    i guess your imperative worked. since you've issued it, there has been nothing resembling a genocide on the fair planet Earth, at least according to Google News.
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    28 Jan '10 18:49
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    i guess your imperative worked. since you've issued it, there has been nothing resembling a genocide on the fair planet Earth, at least according to Google News.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

    Sarcasm is the rhetorical device of using a characterization of something or someone in order to express contempt.[1] It is closely connected with irony, in that the two are often combined in the same statement.
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    28 Jan '10 18:50
    zeeblebot discovered that people die in a war. Wow.
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    28 Jan '10 18:52
    what i remember from Somalia is the amount of criticism the US came in for for not doing the response just the way certain people wanted.

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