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  1. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    29 Apr '14 05:02
    There is a debate in the SPORTS Forum regarding pitchers wearing helmets after a 12 year-old was killed by a baseball to the head.

    That's one death .

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us/children-and-guns-the-hidden-toll.html?_r=0
  2. 29 Apr '14 08:38
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    There is a debate in the SPORTS Forum regarding pitchers wearing helmets after a 12 year-old was killed by a baseball to the head.

    That's one death .

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us/children-and-guns-the-hidden-toll.html?_r=0
    "Children shot accidentally — usually by other children — are collateral casualties of the accessibility of guns in America, their deaths all the more devastating for being eminently preventable."

    let's not kid ourselves. these deaths occurred because the parents were irresponsible retards. all the examples have shown parents who displayed gross negligence. "giving a gun to 11 year old to scare coyotes, i thought i took all the bullets out".


    i am all for gun control. i find people who want to buy guns without background checks and waiting periods dangerous and irresponsible and i am glad europeans are not like that. i find it utterly stupid that you must go to driving school and pass an exam (which is very logical) but americans want to pass guns around like candy.


    these however are cases of people unfit to be parents being moronic. and i very much fear that those kids would have died in other ways had guns not been involved.
  3. 29 Apr '14 08:42
    where does baseball come in?
  4. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    29 Apr '14 10:36
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    where does baseball come in?
    http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?subject=Helmets_for_pitchers%3F&threadid=158452
  5. 29 Apr '14 11:46
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?subject=Helmets_for_pitchers%3F&threadid=158452
    i understand the guns argument. i understand baseball players wearing helmets to protect themselves from rock hard balls flying at more than 100km/hour.

    i do not understand where is the connection between them.
  6. 29 Apr '14 12:50
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    There is a debate in the SPORTS Forum regarding pitchers wearing helmets after a 12 year-old was killed by a baseball to the head.

    That's one death .

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us/children-and-guns-the-hidden-toll.html?_r=0
    While it is true that we might be able to make an over all larger difference in safety by gun control than by having pitchers where helmets, it does not mean that we should not consider whether the use of protective equipment can make sports safer.
  7. 29 Apr '14 14:06
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    There is a debate in the SPORTS Forum regarding pitchers wearing helmets after a 12 year-old was killed by a baseball to the head.

    That's one death .

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us/children-and-guns-the-hidden-toll.html?_r=0
    For every child's death caused by guns, I could show you 2 caused by cars.
  8. 29 Apr '14 14:31
    Originally posted by HarrisonBergeron
    For every child's death caused by guns, I could show you 2 caused by cars.
    and we have laws concerning cars.

    we have driving schools
    we have exams to get driving licenses
    we limit the age of people that can drive
    we have traffic laws
    we limit what you can drive (you can't drive a tank on a public road)
    we have safety regulations concerning how cars are built


    and finally, if you drive recklessly, a cop may revoke your license. and nobody screams that a fundamental right has been violated.


    all the above can be applied to guns. and civilized countries do in fact apply some. why doesn't the US?
  9. 29 Apr '14 21:49
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    and we have laws concerning cars.

    we have driving schools
    we have exams to get driving licenses
    we limit the age of people that can drive
    we have traffic laws
    we limit what you can drive (you can't drive a tank on a public road)
    we have safety regulations concerning how cars are built


    and finally, if you drive recklessly, a cop may revoke your ...[text shortened]... above can be applied to guns. and civilized countries do in fact apply some. why doesn't the US?
    i would also add that there are rules and regulations to that car designers have to adhere to regarding safety. most cars are stuffed with technology that tries to save human lives..............where as gun designers are trying to do the opposite.
  10. 30 Apr '14 00:34
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    There is a debate in the SPORTS Forum regarding pitchers wearing helmets after a 12 year-old was killed by a baseball to the head.

    That's one death .

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/us/children-and-guns-the-hidden-toll.html?_r=0
    There is almost no doubt that safety equipment minimizes injuries and deaths, but nothing makes anything totally safe.

    My experience tells me that kids trained from a young age on the use of guns, and safety rules on using them, end up far safer than urban kids who are shielded from learning about guns. They get their gun knowledge from gang banger criminals, instead of responsible parents.
  11. 30 Apr '14 00:39
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    i would also add that there are rules and regulations to that car designers have to adhere to regarding safety. most cars are stuffed with technology that tries to save human lives..............where as gun designers are trying to do the opposite.
    Not true. The 1911 .45 ACP pistol has numerous safety features to prevent accidental discharges. One is the grip safety, which allows the gun to be fired only if a human hand is gripping it properly. It will not fire if a round isn't chambered, and the positive safety locks the slide in place even if the hammer is cocked on a loaded chamber (known as condition one). That is a pistol designed 100 years ago.

    You really ought to read any firearms manual.
  12. 30 Apr '14 00:41
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    and we have laws concerning cars.

    we have driving schools
    we have exams to get driving licenses
    we limit the age of people that can drive
    we have traffic laws
    we limit what you can drive (you can't drive a tank on a public road)
    we have safety regulations concerning how cars are built


    and finally, if you drive recklessly, a cop may revoke your ...[text shortened]... above can be applied to guns. and civilized countries do in fact apply some. why doesn't the US?
    Cops don't have the authority to revoke licenses.

    All of the rules on driving are usually applied to gun owners, in fact usually more strictly.
  13. 30 Apr '14 00:41
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    i understand the guns argument. i understand baseball players wearing helmets to protect themselves from rock hard balls flying at more than 100km/hour.

    i do not understand where is the connection between them.
    There isn't any.
  14. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    30 Apr '14 03:19
    Originally posted by normbenign
    There isn't any.
    Try harder.
  15. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    30 Apr '14 03:35
    Soldiers wear helmets too.