@kevcvs57 saidMaybe NATO should start bombing Belarus for "humanitarian" reasons.
Oh well I wonder why he got a spot on Belorussian state tv then, it must have been a nothing burger night.
I remember a news report from the BBC, he was comparing Belorussian freedom to the US version and came down on the side of the Belorussian version.
This was about not long after Belorussian security services were beating and raping young protestors, and forcing down international flights in order to arrest a journalist and his girlfriend.
Are you actually ok?
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@no1marauder saidThe article states he was on Belarusian TV claiming he was escaping "political persecution".
You apparently didn't read your own link very carefully.
Neumann didn't flee to Belarus "of all places"; he "first settled in Ukraine."
I find nothing saying he was granted "political asylum"
He initially arrived in Ukraine but had to flee due to the Ukrainian "secret service" pursuing him.
"You apparently didn't read your own link very carefully". Rethink that statement.
@vivify saidSo what? You should just admit you got your facts wrong and this really is a trivial matter not part of Putin's imaginary recent "takeover" of Belarus.
The article states he was on Belarusian TV claiming he was escaping "political persecution".
He initially arrived in Ukraine but had to flee due to the Ukrainian "secret service" pursuing.
"You apparently didn't read your own link very carefully". Rethink that statement.
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@no1marauder saidYou said you saw nothing about political asylum; that's clearly established in the article. That's a head-scratcher since this is clearly stated.
So what? You should just admit you got your facts wrong and this really is a trivial matter not part of Putin's imaginary recent "takeover" of Belarus.
You also brought up Ukraine, but he fled that for political reasons as well, since he claimed their secret service was after him.
Whether you believe this is a "nothing burger" or not, you were the one who got the facts wrong.
@no1marauder saidNo don’t be silly, it’s part of an expanding Russia. Our consistent policy of containment is much less dangerous for everyone.
Maybe NATO should start bombing Belarus for "humanitarian" reasons.
I’d much rather see these authoritarian regimes implode than explode.
@vivify saidNo, I'm correct - there is no mention by the Belarussian authorities that he is being granted "political asylum" - that seems to be an invention of some careless media stories. The government statement clearly was he was granted "refugee status" and a few responsible journalistic outlets got that right.
You said you saw nothing about political asylum; that's clearly established in the article. That's a head-scratcher since this is clearly stated.
You also brought up Ukraine, but he fled that for political reasons as well, since he claimed their secret service was after him.
Whether you believe this is a "nothing burger" or not, you were the one who got the facts wrong.
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/23/1088205226/evan-neumann-jan-6-insurrection-suspect-refugee-belarus-asylum
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/22/politics/evan-neumann-belarus-political-asylum-january-6/index.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/jan-6-suspect-fled-us-granted-refugee-status-belarus-rcna21137
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jan-6-evan-neumann-belarus-asylum-b2041877.html
https://www.newsweek.com/evan-neumann-wanted-suspect-jan-6-riot-gets-refugee-status-belarus-1690524
Neumann's own statements are his and his only.
@mott-the-hoople said“ pitiful fools”
LMAO @ this thread…pitiful fools
Do you realise you sound like a crazy arch villain when you use that phrase?
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@no1marauder said(shrug) Okay. So he's a political refugee.
No, I'm correct - there is no mention by the Belarussian authorities that he is being granted "political asylum" - that seems to be an invention of some careless media stories. The government statement clearly was he was granted "refugee status" and a few responsible journalistic outlets got that right.
If you think the BBC is wrong, blame them, not me.
A capitol rioter fleeing to a place heavily influenced by Russia and being interviewed on their state TV seemingly as some kind of freedom fighter...just seemed suspicious.
@vivify said(Shrug) Belarus has been under US sanctions since 2006, so I cannot say that part of the motivation might have been to stick a thumb in the US' eye.
(shrug) Okay. So he's a political refugee.
If you think the BBC is wrong, blame them, not me.
A capitol rioter fleeing to a place heavily influenced by Russia and being interviewed on their state TV seemingly as some kind of freedom fighter...just seemed suspicious.
I'm not sure what you are talking about regarding the "hijacked" plane and the "dissident being turned over to Putin". Are you referring to this case that happened last year? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/roman-protasevich-the-young-dissident-who-belarus-diverted-a-ryanair-flight-to-arrest/ar-AAKkHJD
If so, Roman Protasevich was a Belarusian dissident not a Russian one and the last anyone knew he was under house arrest in Belarus. https://www.euronews.com/2022/03/28/sofia-sapega-russian-girlfriend-of-belarus-opposition-figure-goes-on-trial
@no1marauder saidYes, that's what I was referring to. Seems I wrongly thought the plane was hijacked at Putin's request; Lukashenko did that for himself.
(Shrug) Belarus has been under US sanctions since 2006, so I cannot say that part of the motivation might have been to stick a thumb in the US' eye.
I'm not sure what you are talking about regarding the "hijacked" plane and the "dissident being turned over to Putin". Are you referring to this case that happened last year? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/roman-prot ...[text shortened]... w.euronews.com/2022/03/28/sofia-sapega-russian-girlfriend-of-belarus-opposition-figure-goes-on-trial
I looked it up and Putin was being scrutinized for remaining Lukashenko's ally during this time while the world was enraged at Belarus. Because I remember Putin being covered during this time, I incorrectly remembered the hijacking being done at Putin's behest. That was purely Lukashenko.
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@metal-brain saidRussia does not and did not possess Ukraine in 2014 you lying scumbag.
NATO expanded. Russia is just getting back what was theirs before Obama stole it by coup. If Russia took Texas by coup do you think the USA would do nothing? The USA would take it back by any means and you know it.
Stop being a hypocrite. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Did the UK take back the Falkland Islands? How is that different?
In 2014 a popular street level protest was so heavy handedly suppressed that it morphed into a popular movement for change and freedom from Russian interference via its puppets in Kyiv which could not be squashed even after Russian backed security forces murdered nearly 200 protestors and injured many more.
Stop telling the kremlins lies and stop being stupid.
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@kevcvs57 saidWhat a ridiculous fairy tale.
Russia does not and did not possess Ukraine in 2014 you lying scumbag.
In 2014 a popular street level protest was so heavy handedly suppressed that it morphed into a popular movement for change and freedom from Russian interference via its puppets in Kyiv which could not be squashed even after Russian backed security forces murdered nearly 200 protestors and injured many more.
Stop telling the kremlins lies and stop being stupid.
Russia's "puppets in Kyiv" had won a free and fair election something the mob hadn't. And far right armed Ukrainian nationalists torpedoed a deal (brokered by EU foreign ministers) made between the main opposition parties and the country's elected President instead insisting on an immediate, illegal overthrow of the government.
You should stop being so gullible as to repeat such obvious BS.
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@no1marauder saidHe was a journalist as far as it was reported at the time, albeit one that was critical of the Belorussian regime, it was his girlfriend that was returned to Russia because she was Russian but I don’t think it was an extradition, she just went home.
(Shrug) Belarus has been under US sanctions since 2006, so I cannot say that part of the motivation might have been to stick a thumb in the US' eye.
I'm not sure what you are talking about regarding the "hijacked" plane and the "dissident being turned over to Putin". Are you referring to this case that happened last year? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/roman-prot ...[text shortened]... w.euronews.com/2022/03/28/sofia-sapega-russian-girlfriend-of-belarus-opposition-figure-goes-on-trial
When journalist’s are dragged off planes that have been forced down and then put under house arrest for criticising the regime you know that place is going to be popular with political refugees on the run from democracy and the rule of law.
@no1marauder saidStop lying and we’ll just stop lying.
What a ridiculous fairy tale.
Russia's "puppets in Kyiv" had won a free and fair election something the mob hadn't. And far right armed Ukrainian nationalists torpedoed a deal (brokered by EU foreign ministers) made between the main opposition parties and the country's elected President instead insisting on an immediate, illegal overthrow of the government.
You should stop being so gullible as to repeat such obvious BS.
Your right wing fantasy that a popular street protest in which nearly 200 protestors were slain is actually an illegal coup because the Russian puppet was ousted by the representatives of the people in their duly elected parliament is just that, a right wing fantasy spun as some sort of justification for the brutal invasion of a sovereign nation by a brutal neighbouring regime for the purposes of annexing and exerting political, military and political control of the sovereign state.
Anyone who wants to know the truth about the Maidan uprising can go to wiki and make their own mind up.