@metal-brain saidWhere did he say it (what?) was a matter of "black pride"? Where did he say it (what?) would lead to a "race war"?
So white people are uncivilized and that is how he justified segregation in schools? I'm very skeptical. He said it was a matter of black pride. then he said it would lead to a race war. Do you agree with that?
Have you heard this comment before? "You can take a black man out of the jungle, but you can't take the jungle out of the black man".
Biden was talking about ...[text shortened]... ly giving a democrat the benefit of the doubt in a way you would NEVER give Trump if he had said it.
I reject your baseless interpretation. A position against busing to achieve integration is not one I ever agreed with (I was teargassed at a demonstration in Boston in the 70s in favor of remedial mandatory busing) but you are merely feeding right wing propaganda to twist his quote into a "racist" one.
@metal-brain saidThere's a reason for that.
So white people are uncivilized and that is how he justified segregation in schools? I'm very skeptical. He said it was a matter of black pride. then he said it would lead to a race war. Do you agree with that?
Have you heard this comment before? "You can take a black man out of the jungle, but you can't take the jungle out of the black man".
Biden was talking about ...[text shortened]... ly giving a democrat the benefit of the doubt in a way you would NEVER give Trump if he had said it.
@no1marauder saidMB claimed that Biden's opinion that mandatory busing was not the way to integrate the schools meant that he approved of segregation. I took him to task over this idiotic interpretation months ago. He obviously still thinks it's true.
Just to be clear, are the right wingers here saying that opposition to mandatory busing programs to achieve integration is "proof" of racism?
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@no1marauder saidhttps://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/joe-biden-embraced-segregation-in-1975-claiming-it-was-a-matter-of-black-pride
Where did he say it (what?) was a matter of "black pride"? Where did he say it (what?) would lead to a "race war"?
I reject your baseless interpretation. A position against busing to achieve integration is not one I ever agreed with (I was teargassed at a demonstration in Boston in the 70s in favor of remedial mandatory busing) but you are merely feeding right wing propaganda to twist his quote into a "racist" one.
From the link below:
"In comments reported on in The Times' story, Biden further worried that court-ordered busing would lead to a "race war" and engender resentment among both white and black students.
"You take people who aren't racist, people who are good citizens, who believe in equal education and opportunity, and you stunt their children's intellectual growth by busing them to an inferior school, and you're going to fill them with hatred," he said of a busing plan that would bus white students from the suburbs to urban schools."
https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-said-desegregation-would-create-a-racial-jungle-2019-7?op=1
Now what do you say?
@no1marauder saidI don't know what right wingers think. I am not a right winger.
Just to be clear, are the right wingers here saying that opposition to mandatory busing programs to achieve integration is "proof" of racism?
Opposition to mandatory busing programs while refusing to fund black schools equally is racism.
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@metal-brain said"Back in the day", MB, schools were funded by the city/town they were in. Of course,
I don't know what right wingers think. I am not a right winger.
Opposition to mandatory busing programs while refusing to fund black schools equally is racism.
that led to "some schools being more equal than others".
Now, states have stepped in and funded quite a bit of it. Of course, local property taxes never decreased all the while lol
@metal-brain saidFrom your article quoting Biden:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/joe-biden-embraced-segregation-in-1975-claiming-it-was-a-matter-of-black-pride
From the link below:
"In comments reported on in The Times' story, Biden further worried that court-ordered busing would lead to a "race war" and engender resentment among both white and black students.
"You take people who aren't racist, peo ...[text shortened]... nsider.com/biden-said-desegregation-would-create-a-racial-jungle-2019-7?op=1
Now what do you say?
"White parents were terrified that their children would be shipped to the toughest neighborhoods in Wilmington; black parents were terrified that their children would be targets of violence in suburban schools.”
That's consistent with my interpretation, not yours.
@no1marauder saidI suppose you consider me a righty in some ways.
Just to be clear, are the right wingers here saying that opposition to mandatory busing programs to achieve integration is "proof" of racism?
No, in and of itself, being anti-forced-busing does not make you a racist. MO.
However, Biden's reasoning leaves me to question his heart. I do think his position
is based on Black kids being trouble makers and that letting white kids and black
kids mix is a bad idea.
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@no1marauder saidHere is the following quote to the excerpt I posted before to the link below:
From your article quoting Biden:
"White parents were terrified that their children would be shipped to the toughest neighborhoods in Wilmington; black parents were terrified that their children would be targets of violence in suburban schools.”
That's consistent with my interpretation, not yours.
"He extended his concerns to a hypothetical black student from Wilmington too, wondering, "you send him to Alexis I. DuPont, bus him through Centerville every day, then send him back to the ghetto. How can he be encouraged to love his white brothers?"
https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-said-desegregation-would-create-a-racial-jungle-2019-7?op=1
Biden is clearly indicating that black people seeing how the privileged whites lived compared to blacks would resent whites because of it. It was the unequal funding of schools that was to blame for that. Biden wanted to continue the policy of underfunded black schools. He was so zealous in this he considered a constitutional amendment to end busing. Equal funding never entered the racist Joe's mind. He wanted to keep those black schools inferior.
@metal-brain saidIt didn't?:
Here is the following quote to the excerpt I posted before to the link below:
"He extended his concerns to a hypothetical black student from Wilmington too, wondering, "you send him to Alexis I. DuPont, bus him through Centerville every day, then send him back to the ghetto. How can he be encouraged to love his white brothers?"
https://www.businessinsider.com/biden- ...[text shortened]... . Equal funding never entered the racist Joe's mind. He wanted to keep those black schools inferior.
"For example, during my campaign I went on record in support of a single statewide school district tax, and I got clobbered for it. Well, if we'd done that, we wouldn't have to be talking about busing now; it wouldn't even be an issue. We would have undercut the argument about equal distribution of educational benefits." Joe Biden, October 2, 1975
https://www.ontheissues.org/2020/Joe_Biden_Education.htm
@no1marauder saidA mere campaign promise? Not a bill? LOL!
It didn't?:
"For example, during my campaign I went on record in support of a single statewide school district tax, and I got clobbered for it. Well, if we'd done that, we wouldn't have to be talking about busing now; it wouldn't even be an issue. We would have undercut the argument about equal distribution of educational benefits." Joe Biden, October 2, 1975
https://www.ontheissues.org/2020/Joe_Biden_Education.htm
Is that the best you can do?
@metal-brain saidMarauder, is it possible that you would vote for the feeble Biden to be President? Marauder ? All your friends will lose Trumps's tax breaks, $2000 right off the top. Have you googled what REALLY happens when Biden says he will only tax those over $400K? Do you and they really believe that.? Folks,,,,,,google it. It is a lie.
A mere campaign promise? Not a bill? LOL!
Is that the best you can do?