Originally posted by xsA Google search for "pain lobster" brings up a bazillion websites talking about some recent Norwegian study that claims lobsters probably don't feel pain. I don't know much about how pain evolved, and a little bit of research (like five minutes) didn't help me much.
As I understand it, a lobster's primitive nervous system is similar to that of an insect, lobster's don't have the ability to process pain.
No brain, no pain.
Maybe they don't feel pain. I'd like to see the original paper. I wonder how I could get access to it...
I found these two websites today and copied this off of them.
"Anyone who has ever boiled a lobster alive can attest that, when dropped into scalding water, lobsters whip their bodies wildly and scrape the sides of the pot in a desperate attempt to escape.
In the journal Science, researcher Gordon Gunter described
this method of killing lobsters as "unnecessary torture."
(from the website: http://www.askcarla.com/answers.asp?QuestionandanswerID=369)
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"Live animals are taken home and boiled alive. When placed into boiling water they behave wildly, whipping their tails and trying to escape. Death can take anything from 15 seconds up to seven minutes."
(from the website: http://www.keeponfighting.net/article.php?story=20030801213625246)
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ehh. i am glad i am not a lobster.
Sincerely Pavlo.
p.s. i'm afraid that sounds like pain too me.
Originally posted by trawets113boiling is quicker in killing lobsters than just chopping off their heads with one hard whack? Thanks for your input. But i disagree with that "expert".
Im am studying for a degree in marine biology and i asked this same question to my tutor who happens to be an expert in crustaceans and he said that boiling them was the quickest thus most humane way to kill them.
Sincerely, Pavlo.
p.s. i've been wrong before. it's just my opinion though. 🙂
Thanks for listening. 🙂
Originally posted by AThousandYoungYes there are. Pesticides are only needed due to owner's being tight arsed or lazy. Nature is the best pesticide you can get. In parts of Vietnam, they have no real technology to speak of, and use natural means to kills things that would attack the crops. For example, in a paddy field, you would find ox, which weed and fertilise the rice and ducks which live on any parasites/insects that might breed there. Perfect eco friendly pesticide.
There aren't any effective alternatives to pesticides that I know of.
Another major reason for the necessity of pesticide is the massive plantations which exist today which grow only 1 crop. Nature is based on biodiversity, which is why the deforestation of the Amazon is completely thoughtless and solely driven by short term greed. In the Amazon (easiest example), there might be 1000 different species of plant/tree in 1 acre. In that same acre, there could be 10,000 species of insect which lives off of the plants. Now, what's great is that only a few of these insects live off each species of plant. When you get rid of that diversity of plant and replace it with 1 type, then the insects that feed off of that type of plant are going to experience a population explosion (typical ecosystem response due to increase in food source) and so the single species of plant will be ravaged by the bug. Hence, the need for pesticides.
Anyway, we were talking about lobsters weren't we???
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Originally posted by eagles54Have you ever been to one of those websites where they tell you it's a puzzle and you have to look really close at the picture, and then like two minutes after a huge freak face appears suddenly with a loud scream, making you jump back and your heart skip a beat? There's no pain involved there, right?
Why would an ant flee a flame then?
Originally posted by AThousandYoungI'm afraid I'm missing the corelation.
Have you ever been to one of those websites where they tell you it's a puzzle and you have to look really close at the picture, and then like two minutes after a huge freak face appears suddenly with a loud scream, making you jump back and your heart skip a beat? There's no pain involved there, right?