Originally posted by scottishinnzActually, I began working the summer of my 13th year pumping gas at my father’s petrol station and have worked ever since. "Work" is not a bad word. It helps us to define ourselves (my apologies to Gang of Four) and add discipline to our lives. It also keeps you out of poverty and plan for the future. Dependence on a government check, however, insures low self esteem, resentment and a precarious existence. It also causes the receiver to persist in their undesirable behaviors (i.e., having children out of wedlock, selling drugs, sloth, watching Jerry Springer, etc.).
Yeah, those pesky children. I mean they should be out getting themselves jobs - lazy slobs. I bet you were down the mine by age 5, right?
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Originally posted by der schwarze RitterIt also causes the receiver to persist in their undesirable behaviors (i.e., having children out of wedlock, selling drugs, sloth, watching Jerry Springer, etc.).
Actually, I began working the summer of my 13th year pumping gas at my father’s petrol station and have worked ever since. "Work" is not a bad word. It helps us to define ourselves (my apologies to Gang of Four) and add discipline to our lives. It also keeps you out of poverty and plan for the future. Dependence on a government check, however, in ...[text shortened]... s (i.e., having children out of wedlock, selling drugs, sloth, watching Jerry Springer, etc.).
You are almost as extreme as the gang of four, but at the opposite end of the political spectrum aren't you.
What the hell is wrong with all those things you mentioned?
you aren't a REPUBLICAN are you? 🙄
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Originally posted by der schwarze RitterVery true. State support for the idle also reduces the amount of cash available to provide for the severely disabled who cannot work, although they would love to be able to do so.
Actually, I began working the summer of my 13th year pumping gas at my father’s petrol station and have worked ever since. "Work" is not a bad word. It helps us to define ourselves (my apologies to Gang of Four) and add discipline to our lives. It also keeps you out of poverty and plan for the future. Dependence on a government check, however, in ...[text shortened]... s (i.e., having children out of wedlock, selling drugs, sloth, watching Jerry Springer, etc.).
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Originally posted by der schwarze RitterDo you get off by pointing out problems (whether true or not) of other countries? Maybe you should take a long, hard look at your own, before questioning mine.
The Government is spending more on welfare than on education or law and order, but the vast sums are doing little to relieve poverty, according to the think-tank Reform:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2473368,00.html
Originally posted by wedgehead2It is fortunate that not everyone thinks(?) like you otherwise we should all be starving.
Why are you writing as if there is a fixed amount of money that can be gathered from tax? Spend money wisely, if you need more, raise taxes. Supporting the unemployed does not mean ignoring the disabled.
Why do taxes mean starving? You know, you don't generally eat money, but maybe you do. If you are saying that taxes stop people having enough to eat let me tell you about "progressive taxation", where you tax the rich (but they still have enough to eat) to help those less well off. This policy does not lead to starvation.
Originally posted by wedgehead2Has it not occured to you that increased taxes and higher 'benefits' would encourage even more to give up working for a living, eventually leading to national bankruptcy.
Why do taxes mean starving? You know, you don't generally eat money, but maybe you do. If you are saying that taxes stop people having enough to eat let me tell you about "progressive taxation", where you tax the rich (but they still have enough to eat) to help those less well off. This policy does not lead to starvation.
Do you realise how low unemployment benefit is? In the UK at least it is at below a living wage- people are forced to find other means of income to pay basic electricity, gas and water bills. People aren't naturally selfish or inherently lazy, as you appear to think.
Do you only work for the money? Don't you like your job?
Higher taxes and decent benefits, alongside help to find work and gain qualifications is the way to a strong, stable economy, not a flat tax model, which leads to high unemployment and civil unrest.
Originally posted by wedgehead2The present level of UB enables many to live on it by choice since there are plenty of jobs available as witness the thousands of immigrants who find work within days of arriving in the UK'
Do you realise how low unemployment benefit is? In the UK at least it is at below a living wage- people are forced to find other means of income to pay basic electricity, gas and water bills. People aren't naturally selfish or inherently lazy, as you appear to think.
Do you only work for the money? Don't you like your job?
Higher taxes and decent ...[text shortened]... rong, stable economy, not a flat tax model, which leads to high unemployment and civil unrest.
Originally posted by scipio2You are oversimplfying the situation. The jobs that immigrants do are often illegal (below minimum wage) and the conditions they work in are appalling, as shown by the death of the chinese cockle pickers in Morecambe Bay. Do you actually realise how low the basic rate of UB is under £50 a week. Do you really think people think "i'll live in poverty, rather than do some work". You seriously think people on benefits are having a great time! Why don't you quit your job!
The present level of UB enables many to live on it by choice since there are plenty of jobs available as witness the thousands of immigrants who find work within days of arriving in the UK'
Originally posted by Bad wolfYou're off topic, however, as much anti-American jingoism as I've endured since coming to this site, I think it only fair that I can start a thread that not only has practical application in a foreign country, but also in my own.
Do you get off by pointing out problems (whether true or not) of other countries? Maybe you should take a long, hard look at your own, before questioning mine.
Originally posted by wedgehead2No, but it does lead to a disincentive to work and be productive, plus it takes opportunities away from my family and gives them to someone who didn’t earn them. Let me instead earn the money and choose whom I help. Federalized charity only leads to handouts without expected changes in bad behaviors and this then leads to a subsidization of poverty.
Why do taxes mean starving? You know, you don't generally eat money, but maybe you do. If you are saying that taxes stop people having enough to eat let me tell you about "progressive taxation", where you tax the rich (but they still have enough to eat) to help those less well off. This policy does not lead to starvation.
Originally posted by scipio2Indeed. I read a story only today about how thousands of Poles are coming to England and Ireland to work, earning as much as $3,400 a month compared to the $840 a month they would earn back home. Perhaps those on "benefits" who plead that they've looked for jobs but can't find them should move to Poland and take the jobs that the ambitious there have left?
The present level of UB enables many to live on it by choice since there are plenty of jobs available as witness the thousands of immigrants who find work within days of arriving in the UK'
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/11/30/europe/EU_GEN_Poland_Brawn_Drain.php
I've answered your immigrant question above if you cared to look.
Not everyone has the same skills- the poles going to England might well have skills which the unemployed in England don't have- therefore the immigrants are taking jobs which the English labour force is unable to fill- saying "there is a job worth $3400 a month" is oversimplyfying and distorting reality.