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Originally posted by der schwarze RitterWhy are you so focussed on yourself and your own family! 🙄
No, but it does lead to a disincentive to work and be productive, plus it takes opportunities away from my family and gives them to someone who didn’t earn them. Let me instead earn the money and choose whom I help. Federalized charity only leads to handouts without expected changes in bad behaviors and this then leads to a subsidization of poverty.
Society isn't just about you as an individual or your family doing better than other people. Its about (this sound silly) working together for a happier and more stable community. If you choose who to help, I doubt it would be anyone who watches the Jerry Springer show! You have to believe that the government knows what is best- otherwise society fragments- which would lead to more unrest and crime.
Poverty isn't subsidised by the government- it is a product of the selfish, greedy capitalist economic model which we live with. The government aims to spend the least amount of money to stop those in poverty rising up and questioning the fairness of the system.
Originally posted by wedgehead2The "skill" the Poles have is a willingness to work
I've answered your immigrant question above if you cared to look.
Not everyone has the same skills- the poles going to England might well have skills which the unemployed in England don't have- therefore the immigrants are taking jobs which the English labour force is unable to fill- saying "there is a job worth $3400 a month" is oversimplyfying and distorting reality.
Originally posted by wedgehead2Nonsense. Thousands have been allowed in to take jobs such as waiters, porters, and plumbers etc.
No they have skills such as dentistry or medical expertise. Poles coming to England with as few skills as many of the unemployed do are likely to be sent home. Britain economic immigration laws don't let unskilled foreign labour into the country
The post that was quoted here has been removedThat is partly because of the pitiful, underfunded education system in this country. The reason that kids aren't interested in learn in this country is that they don't feel they have a chance to succeed. Those in poor areas don't think that they can get anywhere, and so drift, and do badly in school. If there were more opportunities for kids, they would respond better. The kids aren't the problems- the lack of opportunities and encouragement is the reason for the current situation.
Originally posted by scipio2We don't have skilled plumbers in this country, which is why we bring them in from abroad- because the apprenticeships schemes in this country are very poor.
Nonsense. Thousands have been allowed in to take jobs such as waiters, porters, and plumbers etc.
As for the porters and waiters, they are probably students who are working there way through University, then hopefully stay in Britain and help the economy.
The post that was quoted here has been removedAre you telling me that kids at that age think "I can get away with not doing any work, because, the state will give me a home".
Kids don't think like that- they act based on factors involved in their upbringing- family, school, possibly church. The problem is that they don't care, because they think that even if they try, they will still fail. The question is how to make them believe that they can succeed again. Cutting benefits is hardly going to make them think "right, now that the state won't help time, i've got to work". The family and school must be key in encouraging them to fuilfil their potential.
Originally posted by wedgehead2That explains the plumbing in England .. something i've wondered over since a visit in the 70's.
We don't have skilled plumbers in this country, which is why we bring them in from abroad- because the apprenticeships schemes in this country are very poor.
As for the porters and waiters, they are probably students who are working there way through University, then hopefully stay in Britain and help the economy.
Plumbers make a ton of $$$ here in the USA .. come to think of it, a lot of them are Poles.
Kowalski Plumbing right down the street .. crack-arse Poleskis everywhere you look.
Another thing! have you figured out chit-paper yet? When I was their we had two choices .. 1. wax paper 2. sand paper.
We Yanks use powder-puffs.
The post that was quoted here has been removedBecause I know the outrage there would be if unskilled labour was coming into this country in the rightwing press. The government wouldn't allow it for a start, as the whole idea of economic immigration is to let in people who can fill jobs that no one at home is able to do.
Originally posted by wedgehead2I think you'll find it has more to do with language skills.....think about it.
Because I know the outrage there would be if unskilled labour was coming into this country in the rightwing press. The government wouldn't allow it for a start, as the whole idea of economic immigration is to let in people who can fill jobs that no one at home is able to do.
You gotta learn to be more compassionate, try to understand that slackers are people too. It's your duty as a citizen of the State to support them throughout their lives ... otherwise, you're stupid and not very nice either.
"Nice" is one of the highest values you can attain .. right behind multi-cutural.
Get more education .. then you can get a job and help support the system that props that whole mess up.
It's a great life .. if you don't weaken.
Be nice to slackers .. they're people too.
Originally posted by jammerWhat is a "mess"? A society which put the community and compansion ahead of self interest and greed is a better one than we live in today. It not about supporting "slackers", its about working together- something you are not grasping. It isn't about being "nice", its about being human.
You gotta learn to be more compassionate, try to understand that slackers are people too. It's your duty as a citizen of the State to support them throughout their lives ... otherwise, you're stupid and not very nice either.
"Nice" is one of the highest values you can attain .. right behind multi-cutural.
Get more education .. then you can get a job and hel ...[text shortened]... p.
It's a great life .. if you don't weaken.
Be nice to slackers .. they're people too.
Why did you bring multiculturalism up anyway? Once again, a society embracing diversity and difference is better than the bigoted, narrow minded one which we have today.