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@kevcvs57 saidThis case isn't that complex: we put arms dealers in jail because we think they are dangerous. Either we should reevaluate and decide dealing arms is no big deal (no one has even suggested) or we should consider as fact that arms dealers are dangerous. Freeing dangerous people makes the world more dangerous. And Griner is a person who intentionally broke the law of the country she was in. We shouldn't free dangerous people to help Griner just because if she committed her crime in the United States she would have gotten a lighter sentence for her criminal activity.
I’m no fan of bout he’s got rich by drenching himself in mainly third world blood but so do both our governments. As far as I know we are both still selling arms to the Saudis and a group of other unsavoury regimes.
I also very much doubt the illegal arms sales business dropped off due to bouts incarceration or that it will noticeably increase now that he’s free.
It’s a pity they couldn’t hold out for whelan but it is what it is.
@quackquack saidTrevor Reed was convicted of assaulting a Russian police officer; he was freed in exchange for a convicted drug smuggler. Not a peep of complaint from you or other right wingers about it.
This case isn't that complex: we put arms dealers in jail because we think they are dangerous. Either we should reevaluate and decide dealing arms is no big deal (no one has even suggested) or we should consider as fact that arms dealers are dangerous. Freeing dangerous people makes the world more dangerous. And Griner is a person who intentionally broke the law of the ...[text shortened]... d her crime in the United States she would have gotten a lighter sentence for her criminal activity.
Your logic would imply it is never correct to exchange Americans unjustly imprisoned in other countries; after all, anyone in a US prison is presumably "dangerous" or that wouldn't be there. But a country that sits idly by while it's citizens rot in foreign jails for minor offenses hardly deserves the appellation of being a member of the "free world."
@Booger
And if it had been Trump who got the release, all would be good.
Also BTW, your god king Trump sat on the thing for TWO YEARS doing nothing to get that marine released.
But OF COURSE it is ALL Biden's fault, DARING to get a woman released from a really bad prison, 9 years for the possession of less than one gram of oil.
And I suppose you don't think that was a political move on the part of Russia.
So what was your last ID here? You obviously have been around before this latest buffoon avatar.
@no1marauder saidOur government should not be exchanging dangerous prisoners because we think another government was too harsh in its punishment. We are at war with Russia (or maybe we just are sending weapons to people who wish to kill their solders) so anyone with a brain (including you) should realize that isn't safe to travel there and then violate their laws. Griner is dumb, a drug user and there for own stupid agenda, not as a government agent. She simply isn't important and we shouldn't have wasted time for her and released a dangerous person.
Trevor Reed was convicted of assaulting a Russian police officer; he was freed in exchange for a convicted drug smuggler. Not a peep of complaint from you or other right wingers about it.
Your logic would imply it is never correct to exchange Americans unjustly imprisoned in other countries; after all, anyone in a US prison is presumably "dangerous" or that wouldn't be ...[text shortened]... eign jails for minor offenses hardly deserves the appellation of being a member of the "free world."
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It was definitely a political stunt by Russia and now they know, and the world knows, they can basically kidnap Americans and try to get their people back home in a prisoner exchange.
If Trump did this you would be going on and on about how he let The Merchant of Death go free and you know it.
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@quackquack saidI'm glad I live in a country that doesn't care as little about its own people as you do(n't).
Our government should not be exchanging dangerous prisoners because we think another government was too harsh in its punishment. We are at war with Russia (or maybe we just are sending weapons to people who wish to kill their solders) so anyone with a brain (including you) should realize that isn't safe to travel there and then violate their laws. Griner is dumb, a dru ...[text shortened]... he simply isn't important and we shouldn't have wasted time for her and released a dangerous person.
Your idea that foreign nations can do whatever they please to American citizens visiting or working there and the US will do nothing to protect them is far more dangerous than an arms dealer who's business was shut down 14 years ago.
@no1marauder saidYour completely wrong. It was an awful trade and it will encourage more kidnappings.
I'm glad I live in a country that doesn't care as little about its own people as you do(n't).
Your idea that foreign nations can do whatever they please to American citizens visiting or working there and the US will do nothing to protect them is far more dangerous than an arms dealer who's business was shut down 14 years ago.
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@earl-of-trumps saidWell, Griner was "playing the game" when she smuggled drugs into Russia.
Good for Griner.
Whalen was convicted on espionage charges.
You want to play the game, you pay the fiddler. No sympathy for him. really
For her you have sympathy?
@quackquack saidhttps://www.naturalnews.com/2022-12-09-biden-viktor-bout-weapons-trafficking-slush-fund-democrats.html
Your completely wrong. It was an awful trade and it will encourage more kidnappings.
@booger saidI've been reading up on Paul Whelan; there's an informative article here: https://spyscape.com/article/the-puzzling-story-of-accused-russian-spy-paul-whelan
@JJ-Adams
You mean Paul Whelan.
This is interesting:
"Paul Whelan told reporters that the espionage charge involved accusations that he was working for the US Defense Intelligence Agency when he obtained a flash drive from a friend containing the names of Russian border guards. In his defense, he said he thought the flash drive contained holiday photos and he hadn’t yet looked at it when he was ambushed by Moscow security services in his hotel room."
It's an odd thing for a mere visiting tourist (who had been to Russia many times) to have a flash drive "containing the names of Russian border guards."
In any event, the Russians believe he was a spy and are adamant on trading him for only one of their spies:
"But ultimately, the Russians indicated they would only be willing to trade someone they considered to be a spy – Whelan, who was convicted on espionage charges in 2019 – for one of Russia’s own spies: Krasikov."
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/09/politics/russia-paul-whelan-vadim-krasikov-germany/index.html
Krasikov though killed someone in broad daylight in Berlin and the Germans are (reasonably) not willing to release him after a mere three years in confinement.
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@Booger
Bullshyte. You make it sound like Biden didn't WANT Whelan home., He TRIED to get both of them for that barbarian arms dealer but the Russians refused and you know THAT quite well but ONLY want to weaponize anything you THINK will smear Biden.
BTW, did you know Whelan was dishonorably discharged? I did FOUR years and got a Top secret clearance AND an honorable discharge, what did YOU get in your military time?
FAIL. BIGTIME. You are another one of the flaming hypocrites here.
@quackquack saidI can go along with this but allow me to ask...
This case isn't that complex: we put arms dealers in jail because we think they are dangerous. Either we should reevaluate and decide dealing arms is no big deal (no one has even suggested) or we should consider as fact that arms dealers are dangerous. Freeing dangerous people makes the world more dangerous. And Griner is a person who intentionally broke the law of the ...[text shortened]... d her crime in the United States she would have gotten a lighter sentence for her criminal activity.
Does being a "dangerous" arms dealer mean that the CEO of Ratheon is subject to arrest? - by other countries, I mean.