Originally posted by flyUnityI dont think No 1 was being anti-american. If you are an American Muslim which do you feel more affiliated to America or Islam?
Never in my life have I met a bigger "antiamerican" more then you, (Maybe Stang) no offense, do you think that there is a chance listening to aljazeerja got you brainwashed? I mean all I ever hear from you was how bad america is. I know some muslims who live over there, and even them like America more then you. I wonder if I will ever see a post from yo ...[text shortened]... merica has done for another country.
Dont get me wrong, Im not attacking you, just your veiws
Many young Muslims feel their brotherhood of Muslims globally is being persecuted by America from Abu Graib to Palestine and therefore they are being pushed against America.
America is persuing a forgein policy that will encourage more terrorists and more anti-american feeling throughout the Muslim world.
Originally posted by no1marauderPerhaps there's a colonel of truth in what, No.1 says. Maybe not a full bird colonel of truth, but a least a light lieutenant colonel of truth.
If my response was strong, it's because I've had to hear this "anti-American" "you hate America" etc. etc. etc. crap for days on this site and I'm quite sick of it. I argue these things with people all the time, but seldom do they ever resort to such ridiculous characterizations and when in the heat of the moment they do, it's followed by a quic ...[text shortened]... . They'll never get that with Islamofascists, sheiks and sultans or Western imposed governments
Originally posted by flyUnityI'm not saying I would do what Clinton did
There may have been some Anti Americans when Clinton was in Office, I sure wasn't. I supported Clinton as president, And I supported America during Clinton's time, I'm not saying I would do what Clinton did, but I sure did not go around attacking everything America did.
it just saddens me when I see more hate for America (who I see as eliminating terrorist) , then I see of terrorists who are purposely blowing up children
Just take a look at Monica. Who in their right mind would do what Clinton did? I mean you're the leader of the Free World for Chrissakes. At least, shag a super fine chick while you have the chance.
Originally posted by telerionBut he's married. We all know that married men would shag anything...
[b]I'm not saying I would do what Clinton did
Just take a look at Monica. Who in their right mind would do what Clinton did? I mean you're the leader of the Free World for Chrissakes. At least, shag a super fine chick while you have the chance.[/b]
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Originally posted by no1marauderDo you listen to A Perfect Circle?
Another right-wing idiot. The present temporary occupants of power are not America, fool; in fact as I have pointed out over and over again the Framers, including George Washington, James Madison, Tom Paine (ever heard of them ...[text shortened]... rats presently in Washington, you'd be eating a knuckle sandwich.
You might like their song 'Pet,' at least the lyrics if not the music.
http://www.aperfectcircle.com/
Unfortunately, you have to navigate from there. Click through the poster art on the front page. The symbol in the six o'clock position takes you to their music. Click on listen. Then select 'Pet.'
They also have some great videos. 'Imagine' and 'Counting Bodies' especially. Some might find it a little over the top, but you others may appreciate it.
Edit: FU don't listen to this. You won't like it 🙂 . But if you get really curious. Listen to Judith. It's my favorite.
Originally posted by no1marauderI apolagise, I talk before I think somtimes, It just upsets me when I see so many ppl attack what Amercia has done, I'll try to keep my mouth shut next time
Another right-wing idiot. The present temporary occupants of power are not America, fool; in fact as I have pointed out over and over again the Framers, including George Washington, James Madison, Tom Paine (ever heard of them, Chucklehead?) would have certainly opposed foreign military adventures like Iraq. I bet you've never even read the De ...[text shortened]... ose the policies of the plutocrats presently in Washington, you'd be eating a knuckle sandwich.
Originally posted by telerionI'll take your advise and wont listen to it 🙂
Do you listen to A Perfect Circle?
You might like their song 'Pet,' at least the lyrics if not the music.
http://www.aperfectcircle.com/
Unfortunately, you have to navigate from there. Click through the poster art on the front page. The symbol in the six o'clock position takes you to their music. Click on listen. Then select 'Pet.'
T ...[text shortened]... You won't like it 🙂 . But if you get really curious. Listen to Judith. It's my favorite.
Originally posted by telerionProbably he should have looked for interns from Capistrano.
[b]I'm not saying I would do what Clinton did
Just take a look at Monica. Who in their right mind would do what Clinton did? I mean you're the leader of the Free World for Chrissakes. At least, shag a super fine chick while you have the chance.[/b]
Originally posted by flyUnityI would not worry about it too much Fly, No1 always calls anyone who
I apolagise, I talk before I think somtimes, It just upsets me when I see so many ppl attack what Amercia has done, I'll try to keep my mouth shut next time
does not agree with his views a right-wing idiot (or fanatic).
As to his constant stipulation that he knows what the Framers would think, so what! These are men who at the time owned slaves and dueled with flintlock pistols. They didn't envision the United States of America becoming the world's only superpower - chances are they would not even recognize the nation we have today. Let him wear their writings as a straight-jacket, we can deal with the responsibilities of the twenty-first century, not hide from them among the denizens of the eighteenth.
aljazeera web site....Pffft.
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Originally posted by flyUnityCalling such reporting of reasonable analysis "anti-American" can be understood as other than an ad hominem attack only when we identify the other errors of fact, interpretation, and logic here.
Never in my life have I met a bigger "antiamerican" more then you ...
Dont get me wrong, Im not attacking you, just your veiws
The people who attack what the Bush administration has done, is doing, and will do (if permitted) are true Americans, if they live here, that is. Critique of the current regime is not only a deep value in the United States, it was one of the critical elements the Framers considered indispensible.
Originally posted by xsGee, a "superPatriot" with such contempt for the people who created the country! I guess we can add the Declaration of Independence to the writings to be tossed into the kindling at the next book burning party. The Framers understood what the purposes of a government were far better than you and the plutocrats who envision a US dominated world. The responsibilities of rational human beings in in any century is to avoid committing mass murder in the name of world domination; being the self-styled "only superpower" does not create a right to invade whatever country you feel like and repress and kill their people. But since you reject the views embodied in the Declaration of Independence it's not surprising you feel that one group of people have the right to subjugate the entire world for the convenience of a few plutocrats.
I would not worry about it too much Fly, No1 always calls anyone who
does not agree with his views a right-wing idiot (or fanatic).
As to his constant stipulation that he knows what the Framers would think, so what! These are men who at the time owned slaves and dueled with flintlock pistols. They didn't envision the United States of America becoming the wo ...[text shortened]... ury, not hide from them among the denizens of the eighteenth.
aljazeera web site....Pffft.
Try actually opening your mind long enough to READ the article; I am amazed that apparently not a single one of the right-wingers here will even look at an article by a moderate, Westernized Arab who hates Bin Laden. If you won't even pay attention to what that group has to say, how do you ever expect to persuade the majority of the Muslim world (who are far more hostile to the US) that your cause is just and Bin Laden's is wrong? Or as the "world's only superpower" do you just intend to kill 'em all??
Originally posted by no1marauderHow many of these right-wingers have read James Madison, Thomas Paine, or even their godfather, Alexander Hamilton? I'll wager very few. But we know that you and I have the books of the Framers raedy at hand, as well as enough experience in these texts to know where to look for specific points.
Try actually opening your mind long enough to READ the article; I am amazed that apparently not a single one of the right-wingers here will even look at an article by a moderate, Westernized Arab who hates Bin Laden.
Originally posted by no1marauderMe, a plutocrat? I believe that requires wealth.
Gee, a "superPatriot" with such contempt for the people who created the country! I guess we can add the Declaration of Independence to the writings to be tossed into the kindling at the next book burning party. The Framers understood what the purposes of a government were far better than you and the plutocrats who envision a US dominated world ...[text shortened]... Laden's is wrong? Or as the "world's only superpower" do you just intend to kill 'em all??
One could say the founding Fathers were themselves plutocrats of the day. Their documents and writings merely the easy part.
The country itself was created by groups like Sons of Liberty and like-minded colonists willing to fight for ideals long before the Lee Resolution, the Declaration of Independence, or the 1787 Framers.
I did READ the article, and doubt Thomas Paine would have been impressed, anymore than I.
"These are the times that try men's souls"