There's a very interesting Special Report (a collection of 10 or so articles) on 'The Future Of The State' in last week's The Economist.
http://www.economist.com/node/18359852?story_id=18359852
Go East, young bureaucrat - Emerging Asia can teach the West a lot about government
Here is a summary of a few points so you can decide whether it's worth a read...
Singapore provides better schools and hospitals and safer streets than most Western countries—and all with a state that consumes only 19% of GDP. There is an emerging theory about a superior Asian model of government, put forward by both despairing Western businesspeople and hubristic Asian chroniclers. The Singaporeans argue that they have the perfect compromise between accountability and efficiency. “Our strength is that we are able to think strategically and look ahead,” says the prime minister. “If the government changed every five years it would be harder.” There is more truth in this than Western liberals would like to admit. Not many people in Washington are thinking beyond the 2012 presidential election. It is sometimes argued that an American administration operates strategically for only around six months, at the beginning of its second year—after it has got its staff confirmed by the Senate and before the mid-terms campaign begins. etc.
The post that was quoted here has been removedThe other articles in the Special Report are:
Taming Leviathan - the size of government/future of the state
California Reelin' - lessons from a place that combines most of the shortcomings of the modern state.
Enemies of progress - the biggest barriers to reform of the public sector are the unions.
Go East_ young bureaucrat - Singapore (see OP)
Favelous - Sometimes the best ideas for government are the simplest
A work in progress - China's government is much less impressive than many westerners believe
The gods that have failed - so far - Could technology bring the public sector up to scratch
Patient_ heal thyself - A bottom up approach to the biggest problem in government (health care)
Big society - radical ideas from a fusty old island
Seize the moment - the prospects for reforming that state have improved but it will be a long haul
Originally posted by FMFLonger terms is the answer? I know, why not ask the citizens of Egypt about longer terms.
There's a very interesting Special Report (a collection of 10 or so articles) on 'The Future Of The State' in last week's The Economist.
http://www.economist.com/node/18359852?story_id=18359852
[b]Go East, young bureaucrat - Emerging Asia can teach the West a lot about government
Here is a summary of a few points so you can decide whether it's wort ...[text shortened]... it has got its staff confirmed by the Senate and before the mid-terms campaign begins. etc.[/b]
The post that was quoted here has been removedHere in the states it is one of the most dysfunctional systems in the world. Essentially you have people running to one party, hating it, and then running to the other party, hating it, and then running back to the other party, stop, rinse, and repeat.
Originally posted by whodeyI only hate one party, although I have nothing but disgust for the other.
Here in the states it is one of the most dysfunctional systems in the world. Essentially you have people running to one party, hating it, and then running to the other party, hating it, and then running back to the other party, stop, rinse, and repeat.
Originally posted by FMFI suppose when the west re-embraces the culture of the cane, we will also be ready to see the virtue of a tightly controlled, highly censored, corporate state...
Singapore provides better schools and hospitals and safer streets than most Western countries—and all with a state that consumes only 19% of GDP. There is an emerging theory about a superior Asian model of government, put forward by both despairing Western businesspeople and hubristic Asian chroniclers.
Originally posted by FMFFrom what I've read, the safer streets seem to be a product of somewhat reduced attention to its citizens' human rights. So, as anything else, it's a trade off.
There's a very interesting Special Report (a collection of 10 or so articles) on 'The Future Of The State' in last week's The Economist.
http://www.economist.com/node/18359852?story_id=18359852
[b]Go East, young bureaucrat - Emerging Asia can teach the West a lot about government
Here is a summary of a few points so you can decide whether it's wort ...[text shortened]... it has got its staff confirmed by the Senate and before the mid-terms campaign begins. etc.[/b]
Originally posted by sh76Not wanting to detract from the ecenomic issues, this is a very valid point indeed, as a Jehovahs Witness i could and would be jailed for practising my religion there. I have met not a few Witnesses from Singapore who tell me that you can be arrested for meeting in your own home with other witnesses.
From what I've read, the safer streets seem to be a product of somewhat reduced attention to its citizens' human rights. So, as anything else, it's a trade off.
Originally posted by sh76Are the less safe streets of the U.S. due to enhanced attention to its citizens' human rights? If so how exactly?
From what I've read, the safer streets seem to be a product of somewhat reduced attention to its citizens' human rights. So, as anything else, it's a trade off.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWell of course, such clearly outrageous restrictions do detract from any evaluation of the success of Singapore's economy. Surely the economic success - the 'trade off' as sh76 put it - simply is not worth it?
Not wanting to detract from the ecenomic issues, this is a very valid point indeed, as a Jehovahs Witness i could and would be jailed for practising my religion there. I have met not a few Witnesses from Singapore who tell me that you can be arrested for meeting in your own home with other witnesses.
Originally posted by FMFI dont see how one has a bearing upon another, i mean, we are hardly likely to foment rebellion, stop paying taxes etc. I did make the point that i did not wish to detract from the economic arguments, but if, as the article from the economist you cited points out, Singapore has a 'good government', then clearly human rights abuses have some bearing upon that statement.
Well of course, such clearly outrageous restrictions do detract from any evaluation of the success of Singapore's economy. Surely the economic success - the 'trade off' as sh76 put it - simply is not worth it?
If Singapore had a banking crisis like Ireland or Iceland, I suspect it would be in as much trouble as them. I'm not particularly informed on it, so I fully admit I may be way off the mark, but the model seems to me to pretty much to hinge on leeching off the economic activity from the region.
A small country that sets low taxes so that a lot more businesses set HQ there instead of elsewhere is bound to be rich on average.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou make the mistake of assuming that JWs are being picked on specifically. They are just part of the mish mash consisting of 'the opposition, the different, the uncooperative' whose repression is part and parcel of creating 'stability' and an 'investor friendly environment'. Frankly I am a little surprised you do not wish "to detract from the economic arguments".
I dont see how one has a bearing upon another, i mean, we are hardly likely to foment rebellion, stop paying taxes etc.
Originally posted by FMFI have assumed nothing FMF, i have no idea if others are subject to the same restrictions that we are. I find it immensely entertaining that you think that a little group of law abiding tax paying citizens could possibly jeopardise 'investor friendly environment', and thus justify repression and quite serious human rights abuses, if anything quite the opposite should be true, i mean, what dangers to economic stability and investor confidence do we represent?
You make the mistake of assuming that JWs are being picked on specifically. They are just part of the mish mash consisting of 'the opposition, the different, the uncooperative' whose repression is part and parcel of creating 'stability' and an 'investor friendly environment'. Frankly I am a little surprised you do not wish "to detract from the economic arguments".