03 Oct 09
Originally posted by rwingettI'd rather s**t a salted, broken bottle of vinegar than give that capitalist pig ( Moore-on ) a dime of my money. Ignorant hevahava !
My wife and I saw the movie yesterday. It is a point beyond contention that not only is this the greatest movie ever made in the history of the universe, but it is the greatest possible movie to make in any possible universe. As this is an incontrovertible statement of fact and not a topic for debate, I mention it only in passing. The only point up for deba ...[text shortened]... erely elect Michael Moore as the next president, or whether we should deify him as a living god.
GRANNY.
03 Oct 09
Originally posted by rwingettWell I guess we'll leave you and your wife to your universe. It's certainly not ours.
My wife and I saw the movie yesterday. It is a point beyond contention that not only is this the greatest movie ever made in the history of the universe, but it is the greatest possible movie to make in any possible universe. As this is an incontrovertible statement of fact and not a topic for debate, I mention it only in passing. The only point up for deba ...[text shortened]... erely elect Michael Moore as the next president, or whether we should deify him as a living god.
03 Oct 09
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Originally posted by telerionHave you seen it or will you see it?
Well I guess we'll leave you and your wife to your universe. It's certainly not ours.
I have to say I'm quite curious to watch it. I think so far he has done a good job at bringing some important issues up for public discussion, despite going completely over-the-top ramming his point home.
03 Oct 09
Originally posted by PalynkaI've only seen Fahrenheit and Columbia, but I don't see what's so "over the top" with him. He merely
Have you seen it or will you see it?
I have to say I'm quite curious to watch it. I think so far he has done a good job at bringing some important issues up for public discussion, despite going completely over-the-top ramming his point home.
digs out facts to throw in the faces of the people responsible and then we can draw our own
conclusions from the answers and responses he gets. Effective, honest, clear and fun to watch.
Now, wouldn't it be refreshing to see real journalism in mass media too?
03 Oct 09
Originally posted by PalynkaMy wife will probably want to see it eventually so we'll get it on Netflix some time. Once upon a time I was a fan. I have Bowling for Columbine on DVD. Eventually we rented An Awful Truth, and I began getting tired of his style. He's a good filmmaker, but I really can't take his arguments very seriously.
Have you seen it or will you see it?
I have to say I'm quite curious to watch it. I think so far he has done a good job at bringing some important issues up for public discussion, despite going completely over-the-top ramming his point home.
03 Oct 09
Originally posted by JigtieHis extensive use of anecdotal evidence, individual cases and selective quotes/citations/etc. is the hallmark of propaganda. That I agree with most of his points, doesn't mean I don't see his tricks to emotionally grab a listener and then feed him one-sided arguments.
I've only seen Fahrenheit and Columbia, but I don't see what's so "over the top" with him. He merely
digs out facts to throw in the faces of the people responsible and then we can draw our own
conclusions from the answers and responses he gets. Effective, honest, clear and fun to watch.
Now, wouldn't it be refreshing to see real journalism in mass media too?
Effective, yes. Honest, probably. Unbiased? No.
03 Oct 09
Originally posted by utherpendragonOr maybe just share it with the people that helped him make his films? Somehow I don't see him being very generous with people he employs.
I want to see Moore take his millions(a net worth exceeding 50 million) he reaped through evil capitalism and redistribute it to the poor and downtrodden.
03 Oct 09
Originally posted by rwingettWell, he sure did his hollywood job well by entertaining you, thereby earning his money. What can I say, the man can cater to the socialist-leaning people of the world.
My wife and I saw the movie yesterday. It is a point beyond contention that not only is this the greatest movie ever made in the history of the universe, but it is the greatest possible movie to make in any possible universe. As this is an incontrovertible statement of fact and not a topic for debate, I mention it only in passing. The only point up for deba ...[text shortened]... erely elect Michael Moore as the next president, or whether we should deify him as a living god.
04 Oct 09
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Originally posted by PalynkaCapitalism is not evil, rather, people are evil. Evil people will corrupt any system and even Rwingetts ideal communist model that has been repeatidly soiled by countries like the USSR and China.
Interestingly, it seems Michael Moore accuses several presidents of corruption at the very top. It seems many people agree with this, but are not claiming for the investigation/arrest of these individuals.
And even those that do not agree with Moore, tend to disagree on the solution moving forward and his conclusion that 'capitalism is evil', but I have yet to see anybody deny the accusations of corruption.
I think the question is, what system works best for "evil" people? Well, the USSR fell and China is now moving towards capitalism. So there you have it.
When it comes right down to it, the love of money is the root of all evil. Looking at the current state of affairs, it would appear that big government and the big corporations are ruling the world whether you live in the US or China. This is where the money is and why things are so awry. In fact, I suspect small business will continue to be snuffed out here in the US. Of course, you will see rising unemployement as a result since small business is responsible for up to hiring 2/3 of the work force ever year. In short, we are returning to the days of everyone dirt poor except for a small oligarcal ruling class elite. Perhaps we should even return to the King and Queen model of rule?
As for Michael Moore, he kinda makes me ill. After all, he has benefited handsomely from the system he repeatidly attacks.
04 Oct 09
Originally posted by whodeySo - in WhodeyWorld's version of the Land Of The Free - benefitting from the system subsequently precludes anything but conformity and assent? Dissent makes you "ill"?
As for Michael Moore, he kinda makes me ill. After all, he has benefited handsomely from the system he repeatidly attacks.
04 Oct 09
Originally posted by FMFNo, hypocrisy makes me ill. Now if he lashed out at those trying to change the current system which afforded him all that he has, which is substantial, then that would be a different story. Of course, he is free to lash out at whom he wills, even if it is from the hand that feeds him.
So - in WhodeyWorld's version of the Land Of The Free - benefitting from the system subsequently precludes anything but conformity and assent? Dissent makes you "ill"?
04 Oct 09
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Originally posted by whodeyI don't buy it whodey. Your hypocrisy is far more evident. You admit to feeling "ill" when someone exercises his economic freedom AND his freedom of speech? Two things you harp on about charmlessly ad nauseam? Why aren't you cheering him on, just like others here cheer on Ezra Levant, while mumbling something along the lines of "...although it doesn't mean we like what he says."
No, hypocrisy makes me ill. Now if he lashed out at those trying to change the current system which afforded him all that he has, which is substantial, then that would be a different story. Of course, he is free to lash out at whom he wills, even if it is from the hand that feeds him.