@shavixmir saidI should've qualified my OP with "in the modern era", or since the industrial revolution.
Uh… the Islamic golden age, the age of reason, the rennesaince (or however you spell that after 15 wine and some schnapps).
Also… what did the Romans ever do for us? Or the Greeks?
Or Soviet medical science…
@metal-brain saidMilitary, yes.
But education and the military are centrally controlled. Do you disagree with this?
Education, no. I have no problem with the government paying for education, but government should not be the provider of education. It's plainly incompetent to do so in many cases.
@vivify saidEven then, Soviet advancements were way beyond where the West was, who put the first man in space?
I should've qualified my OP with "in the modern era", or since the industrial revolution.
The only thing capitalism innovates is way to make money. Anything else is a by-product.
A great many things are innovated without financial stimulus, however, the way capitalism works is that you need to bw able to sell it, in order to fund it.
LHC in Switzerland… is that capitalist?
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@shavixmir saidThe resources used for those advancements only exist because of capitalism.
Even then, Soviet advancements were way beyond where the West was, who put the first man in space?
The only thing capitalism innovates is way to make money. Anything else is a by-product.
A great many things are innovated without financial stimulus, however, the way capitalism works is that you need to bw able to sell it, in order to fund it.
LHC in Switzerland… is that capitalist?
Long before man was sent into space, capitalism (along with military interests) drove aviation, which in turn was used for trade, commerce, and lead to the development of the technology Russia eventually used.
The LHC exists in part because of advancements in computers used by businesses that continually advanced for corporate reasons.
@averagejoe1 saidYou wrote "An Oxymoron....Regulated Capitalism." Now you want to modify that. Make up your mind.
No, I don't want zero ,and I do want FDA, OSHA, FAA, all of the protective agencies, and in this case any agency and regulations necessary to protect free exchange in the world of capitalism.
I will take your post as a poor joke, since you say AvJoe wants monopolies to exist.
Why don't you write like an adult and not like a screaming meemie, all of you are fraught w ...[text shortened]... believe what he said to be a lie?
Phranny lies for all of you to waste your time on. Pitiful.
@phranny saidMy sense of balance is not as extreme as those who would go so far as to, say, put assembly line workers on a corporate board, share all profits. You would regulate corps to do that, and worse.
You wrote "An Oxymoron....Regulated Capitalism." Now you want to modify that. Make up your mind.
And funny that you libs think the economy would be healthier if you could apply such methods. Libs do not 'get out of the way' of success. It will be the next downfall.
@vivify saidThe obvious argument being, if you had a different economic framework, then that would be the cause of innovation (see my previous examples).
The resources used for those advancements only exist because of capitalism.
Long before man was sent into space, capitalism (along with military interests) drove aviation, which in turn was used for trade, commerce, and lead to the development of the technology Russia eventually used.
The LHC exists in part because of advancements in computers used by businesses that continually advanced for corporate reasons.
Humans are just inherently inquisitive.
@phranny saidIn a Nutshell: You will fail because your dream is that everyone be equal ''...at the end of the day.' as our VPresident said.
You wrote "An Oxymoron....Regulated Capitalism." Now you want to modify that. Make up your mind.
Everyone cannot be equal, Phranny. So, since that is impossible, the dream of you socialists and Marxists will fail.
Thus, you will fail.
@shavixmir saidNot the cause; the biggest driver of innovation for the last hundred years.
The obvious argument being, if you had a different economic framework, then that would be the cause of innovation (see my previous examples).
Humans are just inherently inquisitive.
Mankind naturally desires to reach for the stars. Capitalism and the industrial revolution pushed humans to finally be able to do so.
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@phranny said@phranny said if folks die from snake oil or dangerous work places
Most who lean left totally agree with you. For capitalism to work well, there must be rules and regulations. It is those on the right who seem to want a wild west pure capitalism. Few if any rules and regulations. Let the market place make all decisions and if folks die from snake oil or dangerous work places or the environment is destroyed, so be it.
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you'll never find a perfect system. What do they die of in Cuba and N.Korea?? you see?
So this calls your desire for tight government regulation into question. If you have totalitarian government, you do not get the Utopia that was promised, and in fact you get the opposite.
Yes, you are better off in the society where people die of snake oil.
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@Phranny said - both the GOP and Dems, have allowed large corporations to avoid large risks but reap rewards.
That's welfare for corporations.
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Yes. This is why I hate capitalism. How many times have the politicians used *OUR* money to bail out $$billionaires?
Another case of overregulation. (taxing the people to pay for it)
@averagejoe1 saidI have never advocated what you just wrote. I don't think anyone in this forum has advocated what you just wrote.
My sense of balance is not as extreme as those who would go so far as to, say, put assembly line workers on a corporate board, share all profits. You would regulate corps to do that, and worse.
And funny that you libs think the economy would be healthier if you could apply such methods. Libs do not 'get out of the way' of success. It will be the next downfall.
@vivify saidI would surmise that you believe that heavily regulated countries would totally eliminate predatory business practices.
History shows that free markets don't work to constrain predatory business practices.
That's because the consumer isn't the only one that controls markets; the businesses themselves also manipulate markets in their favor. This is why monopoly and labor laws are needed to do what free markets can't.
Well, in those countries you then realize that the government *IS* the predatory business.
N.Korea, Kim is the 36th wealthiest person in the world while the average wage in North Korea is around $47 per month.
The Castro were $$Billionaires while the average wage in Cuba is around $149 per month
And you can't do anything about it because the government has a monopoly on all business, and it you try to escape, they shoot you.
Love the regulators, eh?
@shavixmir saidAre you this fokking ignorant?
Uh… the Islamic golden age, the age of reason, the rennesaince (or however you spell that after 15 wine and some schnapps).
Also… what did the Romans ever do for us? Or the Greeks?
Or Soviet medical science…
I'll just leave you with this from the Greeks:
Algebra - Deophantis; Trigonometry - Pythagoras; Geometry - Euclid
dude...? jeeezus
@earl-of-trumps saidThey shoot you for a lot less than that.
I would surmise that you believe that heavily regulated countries would totally eliminate predatory business practices.
Well, in those countries you then realize that the government *IS* the predatory business.
N.Korea, Kim is the 36th wealthiest person in the world while the average wage in North Korea is around $47 per month.
The Castro were $$Billionaires whi ...[text shortened]... as a monopoly on all business, and it you try to escape, they shoot you.
Love the regulators, eh?